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[00:02:57] <Василич> bravo123[w]: а что с консолью?
[00:03:07] <Василич> можно же копировать вышой
[00:03:21] <Василич> или ты хочешь меню по пкм?
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[00:03:47] <bravo123[w]> да нет всё нормально, только вот хочется мышкой копировать , а не Ctrl+C
[00:04:07] <Василич> bravo123[w]: кнопка на тулбаре есть :)
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[00:04:31] <bravo123[w]> ну это туда тянутся .. :-)
[00:04:44] <Василич> 22:03:24] Василич: или ты хочешь меню по пкм?
[00:04:59] <bravo123[w]> ну да , ну да
[00:05:09] <bravo123[w]> или как в чате
[00:05:24] <Василич> bravo123[w]: не. как в чате нехорошо :)
[00:05:36] <Василич> в чате вынужденно так сделано
[00:05:47] <Василич> стукни био, может сделает :)
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[00:05:50] <bravo123[w]> а чем плохо?
[00:06:16] <Василич> bravo123[w]: возмжность случайно убить то, что в буфере :)
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[00:06:44] <Bohdan> а почему в чате это было вынужденно?
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[00:07:37] <Bohdan> потому что когда двигается лог, сбрасывается выделение? или по другой причине?
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[00:11:07] <al.dexter> http://i41.tinypic.com/2l8gbcl.jpg гы
[00:12:08] <bravo123[w]> гыы
[00:13:05] <Bohdan> Василич: ты знаешь, почему?..
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[00:14:28] <bravo123[w]> Bohdan: подозреваю, что по историческим причинам, в мирке так тоже вроде ..
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[00:19:14] <Василич> bravo123[w]: особенность работы с ричэдитом тамтакая. для форматирования кусок сначала выделяется
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[01:59:14] <talisman|bot> elishnevsky> чмоки!
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[05:15:01] <talisman|bot> elishnevsky> чмоки!
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[06:38:14] <Ъй> al.dexter постингом про http://i41.tinypic.com/2l8gbcl.jpg убил
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[07:06:44] <ЙаСразуВульф> +1
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[07:09:21] <ЙаУточко> хех, без флуда там никак :)
[07:12:34] <ЙаУточко> я как-то, помнится, работал в одной веб-конторе. у нас после покупки одного домена у всех были довольно странные почтовые адреса. я своим brain@fucker.net гордился :)
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[07:44:29] <ЙаСразуВульф> ЙаУточко: :))
[07:49:09] <Ъй> а я как-то раз по ошибке отослал резюме со своего ящика для нефициальной переписки, адрес был holyshit@.., и в поле From было указано "Ъй" :)
[07:49:38] <ЙаУточко> :)
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[09:09:56] <ЙаНужноВписючный> http://cs718.vkontakte.ru/u4034125/49322007/x_54a6360b.jpg
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[09:25:33] <ЙаСразуВульф> а чего пальнообъявление
[09:25:40] <ЙаСразуВульф> *прально объявление
[09:26:27] <ЙаСразуВульф> :) хотя я как то сдавал риторику с совершенно дичайшего бодуна и сдичайшим перегаром и сдал на 5 :)))
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[11:11:21] <ЙаСразуВульф> Борик уже задрал со своей портабельностью
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[11:11:37] <ЙаСразуВульф> он на нее рефлексирует чтоль?
[11:12:09] <evispb> в смысле портирование?
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[11:17:53] <ЙаСразуВульф> угу
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[11:18:26] <evispb> на WM6.1 бы
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[11:23:45] <ЙаСразуВульф> не он все х64 прикручивает
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[11:53:32] <ЙаНужноВписючный> "Кто весь день работает,тому некогда зарабатывать деньги" гы)
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[12:43:33] <ЙаФырчег> блин
[12:43:43] <ЙаФырчег> меня вынуждают писать лажу
[12:43:50] <ЙаФырчег> ррр
[12:44:08] <ЙаФырчег> вчера я открыл что для слоеных окон WM_PAINT таки шлется
[12:44:37] <ЙаФырчег> конечно тут же нашел ляпы в документации мелкософтов
[12:44:49] <ЙаФырчег> но вот фигня
[12:45:45] <ЙаФырчег> InvalidateRect дочернего окна не приводит и InvalidateRect родительского >:o
[12:46:01] <ЙаФырчег> и вот че делать?
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[12:51:45] <x1shn1k> 42
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[13:06:52] <клюЖка> ЙаФырчег: а просто репаинт делать?
[13:07:02] <ЙаФырчег> клюЖка: да при чем тут репаинт?
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[13:07:32] <клюЖка> ну, что тебя не устраивает там?
[13:07:49] <ЙаФырчег> жопа в том что вверхние окна будут вынуждены вызвать перерисовку окна под собой.. те под собой а в итоге все опять пойдет снизу вверх
[13:07:49] <клюЖка> хочешь делать репаинт чайлда И родителя?
[13:08:07] <клюЖка> ну, как-то ведь это делается у других
[13:08:28] <клюЖка> ищи альтернативу
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[13:23:03] <ЙаФырчег> клюЖка: в том и дело что не делается
[13:23:08] <ЙаФырчег> нет альтернатив
[13:23:10] <ЙаФырчег> совсем нет
[13:23:31] <ЙаФырчег> никто не делает чайлдов в слоеных окнах
[13:23:39] <клюЖка> значит, придется тебе делат ьвсе самому
[13:23:54] <клюЖка> ну, и не делай
[13:24:06] <клюЖка> сделай эмуляцию чайлдов
[13:24:11] <ЙаФырчег> клюЖка: а как тогда фреймы реализовывать?
[13:24:37] <клюЖка> но ведь раньше-то как-то было у тебя
[13:24:39] <клюЖка> :)
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[13:27:55] <ЙаФырчег> клюЖка: ну раньше было криво
[13:28:01] <ЙаФырчег> ваще наискосоке
[13:28:12] <ЙаФырчег> я не знал что WM_PAINT таки присылается
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[13:28:26] <ЙаФырчег> и BeginPaint при этом очень криво работает
[13:28:38] <ЙаФырчег> но есть GetUpdateRect
[13:28:49] <ЙаФырчег> и ValidateRect
[13:28:51] <клюЖка> угу, и7
[13:28:57] <клюЖка> ты проверял его на пустое значение?
[13:29:05] <ЙаФырчег> да уже смотрел
[13:29:23] <ЙаФырчег> в доке написано что он вернет тоже что и BeginPaint
[13:30:02] <ЙаФырчег> оказалось что нифига. Для слоеных окон BeginPaint вертает нули а GetUpdateRect нет
[13:30:09] <ЙаФырчег> тк что
[13:30:22] <ЙаФырчег> заставить детей вызвать мой beginPaint
[13:30:40] <ЙаФырчег> и потом мой endPaint - и то что они нарисовали выдать на экран
[13:30:56] <ЙаФырчег> но ведь какая фигня мне надо при этом знать что под ним
[13:31:16] <ЙаФырчег> и либо до рисования - дать им фон или после наложить на фон
[13:31:25] <ЙаФырчег> а для этого надо дернуть родителя
[13:31:29] <клюЖка> хых
[13:31:39] <ЙаФырчег> в принципе не проблема есть WM_PRINT
[13:32:09] <ЙаФырчег> кстати стили XP так и делают DrawParentBackground шлет родителю WM_PRINT
[13:32:29] <ЙаФырчег> но блин это до самого верха ведь
[13:32:49] <ЙаФырчег> а ведь все могет идти и снизу вверх
[13:33:30] <ЙаФырчег> и еще не понятно когда обновлять экран - по идее только после последнего WM_PAINT надо а то мерцать все будет
[13:36:35] <ЙаФырчег> в принципе из очереди я могу понять что очередных паинтов не будет
[13:36:47] <ЙаФырчег> но блин они могут и в обход очереди вызываться
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[13:55:46] <клюЖка> мммм
[13:55:57] <клюЖка> а я не помню, как делал у себя во фрейме
[13:56:09] <клюЖка> но с 42 до 3 перерисовок как-то сократил....
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[14:05:34] <ЙаФырчег> ладно
[14:05:41] <ЙаФырчег> железячники есть?
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[14:06:35] <ЙаФырчег> DDRII 512 + DDRII 512 + DDRII 1024 + DDRII 1024 в dualmode работать будет?
[14:07:04] <ЙаФырчег> или надо обязательно 4х DDRII 512 ,
[14:07:09] <ЙаФырчег> ?
[14:08:54] <клюЖка> будет
[14:08:58] <клюЖка> если парами поставить
[14:09:16] <ЙаФырчег> клюЖка: угу. т.е я могу смело щас взять 1 модуль512
[14:09:22] <ЙаФырчег> а то у меня щас есть 1
[14:09:24] <ЙаФырчег> 512
[14:09:25] <клюЖка> :)
[14:09:36] <клюЖка> продай 512 и возьми 2х1024 лучше :)
[14:10:02] <ЙаФырчег> кому продать? за пиво? я пиво не пью
[14:10:08] <ЙаФырчег> а он стоит 400 р
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[14:10:27] <ЙаФырчег> а винда все равно 4 гига не адресует никогда
[14:11:01] <клюЖка> смотря какая
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[14:12:59] <ЙаФырчег> клюЖка: ну висту я никогда не поставлю.. лучше семерку дожксь
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[14:15:13] <клюЖка> поставь 64бита хрюшу тогда
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[14:21:20] <ЙаСразуВульф> дык смысл ставить 64 битную ось есть лишь тогда когда ты активно бушь пользоваться 64 приложениями
[14:21:27] <ЙаСразуВульф> иначе тока геморой лишний
[14:23:42] <ЙаСразуВульф> вона борька наверное себе вынь7 64 бит поставил теперь активно комитить портабельность :)
[14:25:20] <клюЖка> кстати
[14:25:38] <клюЖка> 1 - признаюсь честно, я боюсь использовать то, что пишет боркра
[14:25:53] <ЙаФырчег> клюЖка: зря
[14:25:59] <клюЖка> 2 - я не понимаю что подразумевается под портабельностью в данном случае
[14:26:03] <ЙаФырчег> борьку конечно местами заносит
[14:26:12] <клюЖка> зря боюсь? я должен быть просто в ужасе?
[14:26:20] <ЙаФырчег> но в целом он довольно компетентен в технологиях
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[14:26:26] <клюЖка> его крашдампер не давал миранде моей работать нормально
[14:26:40] <ЙаФырчег> в частности что касается Оле - он даст мне много очков вперед
[14:26:57] <клюЖка> все время в начале типа краа делалось на асю... и вроде даже продолжало работать.... но только наполовину
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[14:27:15] <ЙаФырчег> кстати надо его спросить про вечный ассерт в gdi+ может знает что
[14:27:15] <клюЖка> про его коммиты в СВН иногда я вообще молчу
[14:28:09] <ЙаФырчег> клюЖка: ну ващето правильно он делает в промышленной разработке всегда - три сроки написал - коммит. покурить пошел - комммит...
[14:28:21] <ЙаФырчег> правда все на своей разработческой ветке
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[14:29:38] <ЙаФырчег> клюЖка: я после мотороллы долго не мог привыкнуть коды локально хранить
[14:30:00] <ЙаФырчег> там све было удаленно у черта на рогах на виртуальной фс
[14:30:20] <ЙаФырчег> а тут фичу пишешь - все локально
[14:30:31] <ЙаФырчег> ветки почем зря не плодишь и тп.
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[14:32:39] <ЙаСразуВульф> клюЖка: ну в общем то что крашилась тока ася а остальное продолжало работать можно только поприветсвовать
[14:33:07] <ЙаСразуВульф> потому как отваливался только один из протоколов
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[14:34:38] <клюЖка> :)
[14:35:01] <клюЖка> учитывая, что у меня их 7 - да, наверное, повезло
[14:35:27] <ЙаСразуВульф> ну да зато тажа джабба продолжает работать
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[14:36:43] <ЙаСразуВульф> правда тута в конфе упоминалось что это больше багофича нежели фича :)))
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[14:36:51] <ЙаСразуВульф> т.е полезный баг :))
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[14:45:22] <M174TM> екалэманэ - не туда ))
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[15:01:23] <ЙаФырчег> M174TM: ладно не \ITCOR\Мудакам\Гавно\
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[15:02:30] <ЙаФырчег> а то у нас послали однажды договор "пчеловодам"
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[15:55:12] <vip77ru> Что с Miranda-planet конференцией???
[15:58:05] <ЙаНужноВписючный> она работает :)
[15:59:05] <vip77ru> У мну ругается
[15:59:16] <vip77ru> На немецком мало того
[15:59:45] <Йодо> камрады, виранда с ие8 глюкает или нет?
[16:00:21] <Йодо> с релизом ие8
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[16:01:09] <Йодо> моя версия глючит :((
[16:01:13] <Dema82> Йодо: проблемы были ieview
[16:01:27] <Йодо> дык а их исправили?
[16:01:36] <Dema82> да
[16:01:56] <Йодо> надо обновить иевью?
[16:02:06] <vip77ru> У меня не установилось на Хрюшку - Немецкую корпоративку с Муи. - ругалось на языковой пакет, не установился не 1 из - 3- дистров не Русская не английская не немецкая IE8
[16:02:34] <Йодо> :))))
[16:03:51] <Йодо> будьте добры, используйте лицензиённое ПО by Microsoft
[16:04:06] <Йодо> у мну виста, честно спиженная лицензия, всио встало :)
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[16:04:57] <Dema82> Йодо: http://miranda-planet.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=290&st=180#
[16:06:11] <Йодо> спасиб
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[17:51:38] <persei[nb]> господа
[17:51:46] <persei[nb]> за что у нас забанен id.@j.ru?
[17:52:00] <persei[nb]> ЙаНужноВписючный: vortex bravo123[w] ЙаКысёна вэйк ап
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[17:52:31] <bravo123[w]> persei[nb]: ну , видимо было за что, коментариев нет?
[17:52:53] <persei[nb]> нет
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[17:54:12] <bravo123[w]> persei[nb]: я если баню, коментарии пишу обычно
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[17:54:28] <talisman|bot> persei[nb]: done
[17:54:33] <vortex> не я
[17:55:47] <vortex> я ваще давно никого не трогал
[17:56:45] <persei[nb]> я спросил у всех )
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[17:58:24] <ЙаКысёна> Persei[nb]: и не я
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[17:59:26] <ЙаКысёна> Persei[nb]: а кто это? Кстати?
[17:59:43] <persei[nb]> спроси у него )
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[18:05:50] <talisman|bot> elishnevsky> чмоки!
[18:06:15] <ЙаНужноВписючный> мну когда банит пишет коммент
[18:06:28] <ЙаНужноВписючный> но могу с 90% вероятностью сказать, что он презенсофлудил
[18:06:33] <ЙаНужноВписючный> жоско :)
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[18:20:43] <merlin_de> ghazan ?
can you apply the patch ?
http://bugs.miranda-im.org/view.php?id=757
[18:21:14] <ЙаКысёна> ЙаНужноВписючный: у тя хорошая память :)
[18:21:57] <merlin_de> перевод re ЙаНужноВписючный: у тя хорошая память
[18:21:58] <talisman|bot> merlin_de: YaNuzhnoVpisyuchny: from thee a good memory
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[18:22:24] <ghazan> ух ты.. круто :) thee приплел
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[18:22:37] <javi> ЙаНужноВписючный: вах.. YaNuzhnoVpisyuchny
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[18:23:33] <ЙаНужноВписючный> javi: ^^
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[18:27:53] <alexanderbo> камрады, подскажите
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[18:28:02] <alexanderbo> с номера девушки пришел спам
[18:28:09] <alexanderbo> но у нее комп выключен
[18:28:16] <ЙаНужноВписючный> пусть пароль меняет :)
[18:28:19] <alexanderbo> это пароль сперли или глюк7
[18:28:25] <alexanderbo> ок
[18:29:23] <ЙаКысёна> Хех...
[18:29:37] <javi> миранда в выключенном состоянии любит злостно спамить
[18:29:57] <ЙаКысёна> Javi: жжешь?
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[18:33:32] <javi> ЙаКысёна: да просто напомнило случай: пришло по аське от одного из моего контакта - положи денег на такой сотовый очень нужно... я вот не думала что кто-то клюнет на это.. оказывается взломали и когда контакт в оффе активно вот денег просили %)
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[18:37:10] <ghazan> merlin_de: fixed
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[18:37:18] <merlin_de> ghazan thx
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[18:39:56] <ЙаКысёна> Javi: Это ж взломали... а не миранда
[18:40:45] <javi> эх не понимают тут моего юмора :(
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[18:41:58] javi взяла обет молчания :-Х
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[20:31:53] <merlin_de> ghazan ?
[20:32:07] <ghazan> yep
[20:32:43] <merlin_de> nicer clc.h
#define IsHContactGroup(h) (((unsigned)(h)^HCONTACT_ISGROUP)<(HCONTACT_ISGROUP^HCONTACT_ISINFO))
#define IsHContactInfo(h) (((unsigned)(h)&HCONTACT_ISINFO)==HCONTACT_ISINFO)
#define IsHContactContact(h) (((unsigned)(h)&HCONTACT_ISGROUP)==0)
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[20:33:18] <ghazan> yes
[20:33:47] <merlin_de> trunk\miranda\include\m_clistint.h
#define IsHContactGroup(h) (((UINT_PTR)(h)^HCONTACT_ISGROUP)<(HCONTACT_ISGROUP^HCONTACT_ISINFO))
#define IsHContactInfo(h) (((UINT_PTR)(h)&HCONTACT_ISINFO)==HCONTACT_ISINFO)
#define IsHContactContact(h) (((UINT_PTR)(h)&HCONTACT_ISGROUP)==0)
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[20:34:16] <ghazan> yes, they all should be deleted
[20:34:25] <merlin_de> trunk\miranda\include\m_clistint.h
is includet in Nicer commonheaders.h
[20:35:33] <merlin_de> delete inside clc.h ?
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[20:38:48] <Tony_Knight> приветы
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[21:17:50] <evispb> Скажите, как удалить из списка протоколов (Customize - Prorocols) mRadio? Плагин удалил, а в настройках он остался.
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[21:19:18] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: сброс нажать
[21:19:36] <evispb> жал - ноль эмоций
[21:19:59] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: тогда их базы удали
[21:20:05] <ЙаКысёна> *из
[21:20:25] <evispb> а где
[21:21:22] <evispb> Settings - Protocols - 803 mRadio?
[21:22:06] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: что есть 803?
[21:22:13] <evispb> Name
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[21:22:29] <evispb> ещё есть 3 mRadio
[21:22:37] <evispb> ProtoCount 4
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[21:23:52] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: так же плагин удалил?
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[21:24:44] <evispb> ну в папке нету
[21:25:04] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: а в модулях?
[21:25:28] <evispb> Plugins? там и нету
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[21:26:48] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: а настройки его есть? Или только в Customize - Prorocols
[21:27:07] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: а то что-то ты мя запутал
[21:27:34] <evispb> настроек нет
[21:27:38] <evispb> только в протоколах
[21:27:46] <Kuper> он в контактах в базе по моему трёт а не в настройках
[21:28:30] <evispb> в базе я ничё не тру
[21:28:35] <Kuper> evispb: а можно вопрос? Зачем ты его удаляешь?
[21:28:44] <evispb> а зачем он болтается
[21:29:13] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: уф... поняла да удали в базе если он 803 то все там с номером 3
[21:29:16] <Kuper> evispb: попробуй рестарт миранды
[21:29:40] <evispb> Kuper: не первый день уже как удалён
[21:31:07] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: Хотя...
[21:31:24] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: а тебе он еще нужен будет?
[21:31:35] <evispb> :)
[21:31:42] <evispb> скорее нет
[21:32:28] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: а 3 это последний?
[21:32:37] <ЙаКысёна> У тебя?
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[21:33:16] <evispb> да
[21:33:19] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: если да то удали там и протокаунт поправь
[21:33:27] <ЙаКысёна> И перезапустись
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[21:33:33] <evispb> что такое протокаунт?
[21:33:44] <ЙаКысёна> evispb: ProtoCount
[21:34:12] <evispb> и больше никогда нельзя будет поставить мРадио?
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[21:34:27] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: можно конечно :)
[21:35:04] <ЙаКысёна> Я просто хотела предложить его ветку вообще из базы стереть
[21:35:44] <evispb> а что такое PrVer
[21:36:19] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: честно не знаю :)
[21:36:43] <evispb> тут Settings - mRadio ничего не трогать?
[21:37:20] <ЙаКысёна> Если не надо можешь удалить :)
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[21:38:57] <Kuper> ЙаКысёна: так не пойму зачем ему там тереть,если он говорит что ветку мрадио не тёр?
[21:39:10] <evispb> некоторые папки с вопросиками
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[21:40:36] <evispb> сгинул из списка
[21:40:43] <evispb> ЙаКысёна: спасибо за науку
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[21:41:04] <ЙаКысёна> Evispb: пожалуйста :)
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[22:30:50] <sss> ЙаКысёна: мур )
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[22:31:13] <ЙаКысёна> sss: рум
[22:34:58] <ЙаНужноВписючный> wrooooooom!!! )
[22:36:36] <sss> )
[22:36:40] <sss> всем утро
[22:36:51] <ЙаНужноВписючный> у мну ночь %)
[22:36:56] <ЙаНужноВписючный> часики
[22:36:56] <talisman|bot> ЙаНужноВписючный: у тебя сейчас 22:36:56 (2009-03-30)
[22:37:00] <ЙаНужноВписючный> часики sss
[22:37:01] <talisman|bot> ЙаНужноВписючный: у sss сейчас 21:36:53 (2009-03-30)
[22:37:06] <ЙаНужноВписючный> фигасе утро
[22:37:58] <sss> )
[22:38:52] <ЙаКысёна> День и ночь смешались в одно
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[23:08:57] <_Roma3des_> Почему в некоторых сборках миранды, при поиске комнат через фильтр, найденные результаты не появляются в поле зрения и приходится постоянно вручную прокрутку гонять??и ещё перестали появляться всплывающие окна!!!
[23:10:01] <Kuper> _Roma3des_: окна любые или какие то конкретно?
[23:10:46] <_Roma3des_> Все,кроме подсказки у контактов
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[23:11:29] <Kuper> _Roma3des_: так подсказки или всплывающие окна?
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[23:12:52] <_Roma3des_> Когда на контакт наводишь,подсказка вылазит-эта осталась,а остальных(сообения про статусы,что играет..)не появляются
[23:14:10] <Kuper> _Roma3des_: посмотри на контакт листе,не нажата ли кнопка показать/отключить попапы
[23:14:22] <ЙаКысёна> _Roma3des_: ви в студию
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[23:21:55] <_Roma3des_> Kuper: Неа, не так не сяк,ладно!!!!переустановлю,а по первому вопросу подсказать можешь что-нить?
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[23:23:03] <Kuper> _Roma3des_: по первому не подскажу,не пробовал даже :)
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[23:23:51] <_Roma3des_> Kuper: ладно,спс
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