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[00:03:04] <TeiSinTai> LonFas: а как конкретно проявляется? там просто "многобукв" в описании бага. у тебя тот случай, где /dev/null обычный файл?
[00:03:42] <LonFas> в смысле?
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[00:03:46] <LonFas> необычный..
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[00:03:55] <LonFas> crw-rw-rw
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[00:05:38] <LonFas> больше необычности никакой я вроде как ща ним не замечаю
[00:05:39] <LonFas> всё
[00:05:44] <LonFas> гуд... разобрался
[00:06:07] <LonFas> "Извините, был напуган" (с)
[00:06:52] <TeiSinTai> а что было?
[00:07:23] <LonFas> ну... как сказать ... были готовые команды
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[00:08:44] <LonFas> и надо было issue.fix_чего-то там переименовать в issue
[00:11:11] <TeiSinTai> аа. ну да. действительно, "был напуган". помню эту фишку =)
[00:13:09] <LonFas> ну в принципе всё
[00:13:25] <LonFas> собирать кеды и xfce буду сегодня вечером
[00:13:34] <LonFas> а пока всем покеда
[00:13:37] <LonFas> я спать
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[05:48:22] <in[10]se> ку all:
[05:58:43] <LonFas> in[10]se: не видишь люди спят :) , зачем будишь да?
[05:59:33] <LonFas> xD
[06:01:09] <in[10]se> утро у меня
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[13:31:40] <denel> какой консольной прогой можно захватывать звук одновременно сжимая его?
[13:32:04] <denel> alsa
[13:32:13] <L29Ah> sox
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[13:54:27] <denel> а в ogg "на ленту" чем компресить?
[13:57:25] <L29Ah> sox
[14:02:07] <denel> супер!!!
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[14:04:23] <denel> L29Ah а знаешь как качество регулировать? ну чтоб добиться малых размеров (главное разборчивость примерно такая же, как у телефонного звонка)
[14:06:12] <L29Ah> если хочется странного - пайпь sox в oggenc и будет тебе щастье
[14:06:43] <denel> аа... а сам он только как есть кодирует да? ну по средним меркам
[14:07:54] <L29Ah> читай ман, я не помню
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[14:55:52] <gumanzoy> hi
[14:58:20] <gumanzoy> у кого нибудь fglrx работает без Section "dri" Mode 0666 в xor.conf?
[15:00:28] <gumanzoy> вчера несколько раз устанавливал разные версии ati-drivers, сначала работало, потом стал выдавать ошибку с теми же драйверами
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[15:03:47] <gumanzoy> может в env.d что-то поломалось? Хотя с этой опцией в xorg.conf всё работает
[15:04:40] <Kergma> Ты жаждешь от читателей способностей телепатов?
[15:05:01] <Kergma> Я не вижу от тебя реплик с текстом собственно ошибки.
[15:06:05] <gumanzoy> нет, просто спашиваю, у тех кто fglrx исолзует, прописано у них в xorg.conf Section "dri" Mode 0666, или нет
[15:06:34] <Kergma> у меня, например, прописано.
[15:06:44] <gumanzoy> fglrxinfo и glxgears ругаются на права доступа к dri
[15:08:03] <gumanzoy> в debian lenny без этого работает, раньше в гнте тоже прописано был, ноновый хорг автоматичный такой...
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[15:10:44] <Kergma> а гугль что вещает?
[15:11:14] <Agamestor> all:
[15:11:32] <gumanzoy> wiki говорит если что-то не работает - прописать
[15:12:21] <gumanzoy> прописал, - заработало. смущает то что сначала работало без него
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[15:13:28] <gumanzoy> пока шаманил с compiz'ом три версии драйвера несколько раз переставил
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[15:14:52] <gumanzoy> cairo и mesa сначала с xcb собрал, потом передумал, потом прочитал вики и пересобрал обратно с xcb :-)
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[15:16:34] <gumanzoy> compiz + emerald в итоге всё-таки заработал
[15:20:17] <gumanzoy> поставл xfce4.6 сразу, в новом xfce4-notifyd, старой темы от notification-daemon-xfce не наблюдается :'-( новые темы слишком гламурные
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[15:38:52] <lash> блин
[15:39:37] <lash> после генты так неудобно центосы всякие ставить - с цыдюка грузиться, по менюшкам тыкаться...
[15:40:12] <lash> кто-нить знает, какие линуховые дистры можно поставить из работающей операционки?
[15:40:43] <lexa_> gentoo ?
[15:41:04] <lexa_> а какие можно поставить из неработающей операционки ?
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[15:46:51] <lash> lexa_, это науке неизвестно 8) но можно поставить из операционки, работающей с загрузябельного сидюка - и это не наш вариант
[15:47:26] <gumanzoy> debootstrap
[15:49:09] <lexa_> lash: имхо любой можно в chroot поставить, при желани
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[18:13:35] <L29Ah> lash: stage4 же
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[21:12:22] <Kergma> А скажите, пожалуйста, какими граблями чреват переход на 64-битную систему?
[21:12:45] <O01eg> PCSX2 не соберётся
[21:13:34] <Kergma> И правильно ли я понимаю, что речь именно о постановке "с нуля", то есть обновить существующую 32-битную не удастся в принципе?
[21:14:21] <Kergma> Что такое PCSX2?
[21:16:24] <O01eg> значит не волнуйся насчёт 64ух бит
[21:18:02] <mexus> говорят можно перейти ничего не теряя, но надо пересобираться за один заход
[21:18:07] <mexus> и как-то по-хитрому
[21:18:42] <Kergma> Я не волнуюсь. Собственно, если есть менее трудоемкий способ увидеть 8 гигабайт ОЗУ, был бы рад узнать.
[21:23:13] <mexus> мне сегодня один товарищ сообщил, что видел в ядре для 32битных систем какую-то чудо опцию, которая позволяет видеть ядру больше 4х гигов
[21:23:19] <mexus> типа программная поддержка большой памявти
[21:23:21] <mexus> памяти*
[21:23:33] <O01eg> да, было что-то такое
[21:24:02] <mexus> я думаю память будет работать медленней, чем надо)
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[21:27:30] <Kergma> Только что прочитал в хендбуке, да.
[21:27:48] <mexus> а там пишут про "side-"эффекты?
[21:28:15] <Kergma> Некий overhead, как пишут, есть, но он ничтожен в сравнении с самим наличием памяти, как пишут.
[21:29:42] <Kergma>
High memory support is not enabled by default, because it introduces a small system overhead. Do not be
distracted by this, the overhead is insignificant when compared to the performance increase of having
more memory available!

Code Listing 3.7: Enabling high memory support on x86
Processor type and features --->
High Memory Support --->
(X) 4GB
( ) 64GB
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[21:31:44] <mexus> т.е. типа всё круто?
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[21:32:20] <Kergma> Типа да. Доберусь до подопытного компа, проверю.
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[21:54:34] <dont> 2 mexus. Как я понимаю, это не чудо-опция. Это всего лишь аппаратный PAE
[21:55:27] <mexus> ну это если проц умеет пае
[21:55:31] <mexus> а ведь может не уметь?
[21:55:51] <dont> Ну если не умеет, тогда ничего не получиться, как я понимаю
[21:56:11] <mexus> да, систему не обманешь)
[21:56:36] <dont> HIGHMEM solution for using 64 GB of memory
This is enabled via the PAE (Physical Address Extension) extension of the PentiumPro processors. PAE addresses the 4 GB physical memory limitation and is seen as Intel's answer to AMD 64-bit and AMD x86-64. PAE allows processors to access physical memory up to 64 GB (36 bits of address bus). However, since the virtual address space is just 32 bits wide, each process can't grow beyond 4 GB. The mechanism used to access memory from 4 GB to 64 GB is essentially the same as that of accessing the 1 GB - 4 GB RAM via the HIGHMEM solution discussed above.
[21:59:42] <mexus> а, ну понятно
[21:59:54] <mexus> т.е. значит работу замедлять не должно
[22:00:11] <dont> Ну вот, почитай, ознакомься - http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450/7217
[22:00:19] <mexus> спасибо
[22:00:28] <mexus> курсач доделаю и обязательно почитаю)
[22:00:34] <dont> Ещё вроде у лава было толково это разжевано, если я ничего не путаю
[22:01:36] <mexus> да и так всё в принципе понятно
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