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[04:01:52] <ActionScript> здрасте
[04:04:53] <ActionScript> спите чтоле все?
[04:05:50] <MarSoft_eee> а что еще делать то?
[04:06:51] <ActionScript> maquefel, ты на стабильной теме или опенрц и беейзлоаут2?
[04:07:18] <ActionScript> тьфу
[04:07:29] <ActionScript> MarSoft_eee, во
[04:07:32] <ActionScript> )))
[04:07:39] <MarSoft_eee> на анстейбл.
[04:07:59] <ActionScript> а часы у тебя на локал?
[04:08:12] <MarSoft_eee> не, на Europe/Moscow
[04:08:26] <ActionScript> ну а в CMOS на локал?
[04:08:29] <MarSoft_eee> только что-то время после hibernate сбивается.
[04:08:32] <ActionScript> или UTC
[04:08:39] <MarSoft_eee> в cmos вроде бы utc.
[04:08:52] <MarSoft_eee> если не менял, точно не помню.
[04:09:36] <ActionScript> вот у меня трабла
[04:10:23] <ActionScript> cat /etc/conf.d/hwclock
clock="UTC"
clock_systohc="NO"
clock_args=""
[04:10:50] <ActionScript> cat /etc/timezone
Europe/Mosco
[04:11:08] <MarSoft_eee> не, у меня local, yes, ""
[04:11:22] <ActionScript> hwclock --systohc ставит время локальное
[04:12:01] <ActionScript> до перехода на опенрц всё ок было
[04:12:35] <ActionScript> просто у меня к серверу логинются разные люди, и все терь во времени путаются
[04:12:52] <ActionScript> сносить генту?
[04:12:57] <MarSoft_eee> в багзилле нет ничего?
[04:13:02] <ActionScript> неа
[04:13:13] <MarSoft_eee> а зачем сносить, можно откатиться с openrc?..
[04:13:26] <ActionScript> как вариант - каждому пользователю свой TZ прописывать
[04:14:35] <MarSoft_eee> hwclock относится к sys-apps/util-linux. какое он имеет отношение к /etc/conf.d/hwclock ?..
[04:14:44] <ActionScript> но ведь должно быть чё-то, чтобы указать что сервак стоит в МОСКВЕ, не?
[04:15:00] <MarSoft_eee> /etc/timezone ... ?
[04:15:08] <ActionScript> часы в cmos нужны в UTC
[04:15:56] <ActionScript> лан забей
[04:15:56] <MarSoft_eee> то есть: до обновления на openrc команда hwclock --systohc ставила время по UTC?
[04:16:10] <ActionScript> ага
[04:16:15] <MarSoft_eee> мне просто самому интересно, а то на ноуте время то и дело слетает ..
[04:16:27] <ActionScript> а потом стала ставить по local
[04:17:21] <ActionScript> ну без учёта временной зоны
[04:17:35] <MarSoft_eee> мда... похоже на баг в hwclock. ибо даже hwclock --systohc --utc все равно ставит local.
[04:17:43] <MarSoft_eee> или это таймзона неправильно задана?
[04:18:18] <ActionScript> я уже выдал всем инструкцию прописывать TZ
[04:18:39] <ActionScript> но обидно таки (
[04:19:53] <MarSoft_eee> щас покопаюсь :)
[04:23:33] <MarSoft_eee> можно попробовать перемержить sys-libs/timezone-data, он должен при этом выдать сообщение
* Updating /etc/localtime with /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Moscow
[04:23:43] <MarSoft_eee> если правильно прописан /etc/localtime
[04:23:51] <MarSoft_eee> (у меня был неправильно)
[04:24:27] <ActionScript> можно
[04:24:54] <ActionScript> я обычно симлинк делаю на /usr/sharte/zoneinfo...
[04:25:33] <ActionScript> лан пофиг проблема из пальца высосана
[04:26:02] <ActionScript> просто терь не синхронизирую время с часами в биосе
[04:26:44] <ActionScript> гента всё равно нравится (пока)
[04:26:47] <ActionScript> )
[04:27:38] <MarSoft_eee> глупый вопрос: где и как прописывать TZ?..
[04:28:12] <ActionScript> TZ="europe/Moscow"
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[04:28:23] <ActionScript> много где используется
[04:28:43] <MarSoft_eee> понял. а переменная TIMEZONE не используется? И каково значение TZ по умолчанию (если не задано)?
[04:28:46] <ActionScript> *Europe
[04:28:56] <ActionScript> пустая
[04:29:19] <MarSoft_eee> но откуда программы возьмут, какая у меня таймзона?
[04:29:22] <ActionScript> TIMEZONE не встречал, а вот TZ повсюду
[04:29:24] <MarSoft_eee> если TZ пустая
[04:30:28] <ActionScript> без понятия... на ум только java проги приходят, и вот они смотрят на TZ
[04:31:17] <MarSoft_eee> а вот date смотрит на TZ, но если не стоит то берет непонятно откуда.
[04:31:27] <ActionScript> а так вообще прогам пох какая у тебя таймзона
[04:37:56] <MarSoft_eee> а hwclock похоже работает нормально, только показывает время с учётом TZ.
# date; hwclock --systohc --utc; date; hwclock --hctosys --local; date; hwclock --systohc --local; date; hwclock --hctosys --utc; date
Чтв Фев 5 04:38:01 MSK 2009
Чтв Фев 5 04:38:03 MSK 2009
Чтв Фев 5 01:38:04 MSK 2009
Чтв Фев 5 01:38:06 MSK 2009
Чтв Фев 5 04:38:07 MSK 2009
[04:44:05] <MarSoft_eee> ActionScript:
[04:44:35] <ActionScript> MarSoft_eee,
[04:44:54] <MarSoft_eee> фигня какая-то с этим hwclock'ом...
[04:45:08] <ActionScript> это точно
[04:45:29] <MarSoft_eee> во:
# TZ=UTC hwclock
Чтв 05 Фев 2009 01:46:07 -0.361413 секунд
[04:45:40] <MarSoft_eee> то есть вроде ставит по utc...
[04:47:52] <ActionScript> естественно - TZ=UTC
[04:48:04] <MarSoft_eee> короче непонятно ничего.
[04:48:21] <ActionScript> да забей
[04:49:16] <ActionScript> ляля /etc/conf.d/hwclock просто ничё не решает теперь
[04:49:47] <MarSoft_eee> по идее решает имхо. для /etc/init.d/hwclock.
[04:51:02] <MarSoft_eee> и по умолчанию принимает UTC, судя по исходникам )
[04:51:48] <ActionScript> а после ребута +3 часа мне вписывает
[04:52:04] <ActionScript> до ntp-client'а
[04:52:06] <ActionScript> )))
[04:52:10] <MarSoft_eee> а мне после восстановления из hibernate..
[04:52:20] <MarSoft_eee> а после ребута вроде все нормально ..
[04:52:32] <MarSoft_eee> хотя ntp-client по умолчанию выключен
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[07:20:22] <Juise> доброе вермя суток уважаемые
[07:22:23] <Juise> кто-нибудь менял сигнатуру у sshd, во freebsd это делается с помощью VersionAddendum, но в дженту что-то не проканало, что делать?
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[11:04:33] <Agamestor> all:
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[11:42:41] <lispnik> Juise: ты про какую сигнатуру?
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[11:48:04] <Juise> 22/tcp open ssh OpenSSH 5.1 (protocol 2.0)
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[11:57:11] <lispnik> Это похоже FreeBSDшная штучка. Пропатчь...
[11:59:30] <Juise> да, придется наверное сорцы править
[12:00:44] <lispnik> Juise: наверняка можно просто у них патч стянуть и немного модифицировать ebuild.
[12:01:19] <lispnik> А потом ещё и с гентушными мантейнерами поделиться.
[12:02:55] <Juise> ыыыыыы +)
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[15:05:45] <WL> hi all
[15:06:00] <WL> скачал дистриб генту http://bouncer.gentoo.org/fetch/gentoo-2008.0-minimal/x86/
[15:06:34] <WL> вставил, запустил, загрузилось live, а на сайте написано install, че делать?)
[15:07:12] <alparo> это не страшно
[15:07:16] <WL> а мне нужен инсталлятор
[15:07:56] <jsv> хэндбук тебе нужен, если минимал качаешь... и если что другое качаешь, всё равно нужен :)
[15:08:31] <WL> так в хендбуке нет ниче про live, в разделе там где про minimal
[15:09:13] <WL> вопрос такой, если я скачал minimal, может там загрузится live ?
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[15:09:48] <jsv> инсталлятор там какой-то командой запускается... кажется... не юзал ни разу
2008.0 у меня вообще не смогло иксы подгрузить, так что я не в курсах, где там чего :)
[15:09:55] <WL> или они там файл немного перепутали?
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[15:10:31] <WL> а gentoo 1.6 какого года?
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[15:11:10] <jsv> ооо... а такой был? 1.4 помню, давно это было
1.6 тоже давно, если вообще
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[15:11:28] <alparo> не обращай внимания. если у тебя загрузилась консолька с надписью live - это и есть minimal. просто надпись такая
[15:11:39] <WL> ясн, да вот на работе 1.6, и дома такойже надо
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[15:12:24] <WL> во как
всем спс, значит минимал всетаки
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[15:13:24] <jsv> меня не покидает ощущение, что после 1.4 её стали по годам называть
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[15:21:31] <WL> так оно и есть, судя по их сайту
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[15:22:38] <WL> в 2008 minimal по f1 загружается live, по f2 все почти как в старых
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[16:04:03] <maquefel> мда
[16:04:06] <maquefel> патч не пашет
[16:06:22] <maquefel> о_О
[16:06:24] <maquefel> О_О
[16:06:26] <maquefel> народ
[16:06:40] <maquefel> кто нить патчил ? http://leolik.blogspot.com/2009/02/pidgin-icq.html pidgin?
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[16:11:07] <maquefel> я не хочу сидеть через транспорт :'(
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[17:38:23] <L29Ah> почему?
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[20:28:55] <Fenix> поправте меня, for i in `ls ./*.rar` do unrar x $i
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[21:47:41] <balodja> хм, ну, во-первых, for i in *.rar
[21:48:28] <balodja> во-вторых, "; do". в-третьих, unrar x "$i". и, в-четвертых, "; done"
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