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Tuesday, February 3, 2009< ^ >
wWolf has set the subject to: Беседы о дистрибутиве Gentoo Linux. (Linux -- свободная ОС с открытым исходным кодом) || Логи - http://chatlogs.jabber.ru/gentoo@conference.jabber.ru/ || http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ru/handbook/ - Хэндбук | С Новым Годом!!!
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[00:29:36] <TeiSinTai> MarSoft_eee: проверь цепи питания материнки. а проще - проверь конденсаторы большие, электролитические которые, если они у тебя на материнке ещё есть (по идее, не настолько новая, чтобы не было). если вздулись торцы - перепаивай =)
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[00:46:25] <MarSoft_eee> TeiSinTai: да, похоже на то...
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=st830291cz8.jpg
А теперь ещё и блок питания кажется не включается :( Причём это не первый такой...
Вообще, похоже что именно он испортился. т.к. если я его включаю без материнки и без cd-rom'ов (замкнув зелёный провод на землю), он включается; а если подключить cd-rom - то нет.
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[09:27:46] <Juise> проблема с загрузкой решена, всем кто помогал огромное спасибо за помощь и ваше время.
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[11:24:04] <alparo> help! obnovil systemu i teper' ne rabotajut hotkeys(
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[12:33:04] <uran-238> hi all
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[13:09:35] <alparo> ni u kogo takogo ne bylo?
[13:09:50] <alparo> ya ne polnost'u sdelal paludis -i world
[13:10:11] <alparo> se'jas do konza doinstall'u mojet i projdet. x3
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[13:32:16] <L29Ah> телепаты в отпуске
[13:32:25] <sattva> а в курсе ли кто-нибудь, что за странность при переходе с .25-го ядра на .26-е: в конфиге установлено, чтобы PPP собирался модулем, однако фактически он вообще не собирается, то есть в /lib/modules ppp-модулей нет и, соответственно, pppd не функционирует
[13:32:59] <L29Ah> sattva: а почему не .28?
[13:33:11] <sattva> ибо hardened
[13:33:35] <sattva> и не ~amd64
[13:33:46] <L29Ah> и почему не монолит?
[13:34:24] <sattva> надо проверить, да, но на первый вопрос это не отвечает
[13:34:55] <sattva> попробовать собрать монолитно, в смысле
[13:35:15] <L29Ah> а ты уверен, что он не собирается? лог сборки ы?
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[13:37:08] <sattva> окей, по крайней мере не устанавливается... нас ведь интересует эффект, не так ли? эффект -- отсутствие модуля несмотря на конфиг
[13:42:02] <sattva> судя по логу, монолитно в ядро включил... посмотрим, что вскрытие покажет
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[14:52:28] <v.v.vishnevskiy> Вопрос. В чем реальное преимущество gentoo по сравнению с другими дистрибутивами, например как debian?
[14:52:55] <v.v.vishnevskiy> в частности меня очень волнует прирост в скорости
[14:53:08] <jsv> пусть он тебя не волнует :)
[14:53:11] <O01eg> прирос мал
[14:54:11] <O01eg> это просто такой кошерный дистрибутив
[14:54:19] <jsv> ну, кдешные проги у меня-таки шустрее ворочаеются, чем в дебе... но думаю, что дело тут не в оптимизациях, а в каких-то настройках, которые в дженте по умолчанию прямше
[14:55:13] <O01eg> Просто в ней пакеты ты настраиваешь ещё на этапе компиляции
[14:55:52] <v.v.vishnevskiy> почему тогда говорят что gentoo самый быстрый дистрибутив?
[14:56:35] <v.v.vishnevskiy> например mplayer одинаково работает на всех системах одной архитектуры. У разрабов просто прямые руки :)
[14:56:36] <jsv> v.v.vishnevskiy: преимущество в том, что у тебя больше возможностей заточить что-то под себя
не бесплатно, разумеется :)
[14:56:53] <v.v.vishnevskiy> jsv: в каком смысле не бесплатно?
[14:57:23] <v.v.vishnevskiy> jsv: кому и за что я должен платить?
[14:57:31] <jsv> v.v.vishnevskiy: надо же что-то говорить
есты сколько-нибудь существенного прироста производительности не выявляют
[14:57:50] <jsv> v.v.vishnevskiy: в том смысле, что за это преимущество ты получаешь некоторые недостатки в нагрузку :)
[14:58:03] <v.v.vishnevskiy> jsv: например?
[14:58:05] <jsv> *тесты
[14:59:43] <jsv> v.v.vishnevskiy: например, сборка из исходников требует времени
или например возможностей что-то сломать у тебя (и у разработчиков дистра) тоже больше (хотя это не очень существенно, потому что их в любом дистре столько, что больше или меньше -- роли не играет)
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[15:01:37] <v.v.vishnevskiy> jsv: ну о времени сборки я понимаю...
[15:01:41] <v.v.vishnevskiy> ладно потом
[15:01:54] <v.v.vishnevskiy> у меня уже 18 часов :)
[15:02:05] <v.v.vishnevskiy> а кто-то обедать... :)
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[16:09:27] <alparo> u kogo-to je sdes' byla takaya trabla. ne mogu perekl'uchitsya na russkij yazyk. pri etom ne vse hotkeys rabotajut. alt+ctrl+backspace ne pashet naprimer
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[17:20:25] <alparo> (EE) Error loading keymap /tmp/server-1.xkm
[17:21:49] <alparo> такое вот в логи плюется. похоже это связано с тем что у меня дворак
[17:22:12] <alparo> >setxkbmap -layout "ru,dvorak" ~
Error loading new keyboard description
[17:22:52] <alparo> а с setxkbmap -layout "ru,us" все прокатывает
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[19:26:21] <trawl> всем ку)
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[20:27:39] <O01eg> ПаЛаЧ спамер
[20:28:12] <trawl> O01eg: +1
[20:28:20] <maquefel> +1
[20:28:28] <maquefel> мгм
[20:28:34] <maquefel> а может поступить наоборот
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[20:28:40] <O01eg> ?
[20:28:44] <maquefel> пойдемте туда обсуждать линукс )
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[20:28:56] <O01eg> )))
[20:29:08] <O01eg> по идее, там пусто должно быть )
[20:29:10] <L29Ah> ъ
[20:29:17] <trawl> Ъ
[20:29:35] <O01eg> Ѣ
[20:30:10] <maquefel> мож вам сразу символьную талицу скинуть ? :-D
[20:30:13] <trawl> O01eg: проверил?
[20:31:24] <O01eg> конфа рабочая
[20:31:46] <L29Ah> т.е. там работают? :)
[20:31:55] <O01eg> нет, там болтают
[20:32:25] <O01eg> [20:29:41] *** ПаЛаЧ has set the subject to: Дабро пожаловать в Seksi !!! У нас есть не которые правила *RTFM* : 1. Не рекламить *BANNED* 2. Не материться *BANNED*(БАНИТ БОТ) 3. Заполняйте вкард !!или получите кик ;-) ).
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[21:55:17] <maxen> Всем здравствуйте !:)
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