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Friday, 23 June 2006< ^ >

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[00:03:41] <deucalion> mmh... darcs is so strangely silent...
[00:03:51] <deucalion> ;)
[00:05:32] <マチェック> or no more jeps left to implement ;)
[00:05:32] <マチェック> maybe remko got tired
[00:05:56] <マチェック> hmm.. my messages got swapped, interesting
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[00:14:24] <Kola> its cause of russia1
[00:14:30] <Kola> silly russian servers
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[00:52:44] <Norman> Kola: well in excess to 1gb/month
[00:53:34] <Norman> telling the number of hits is tricky
[00:54:12] <remko> machekku: yeah, nothing left to implement
[00:54:59] <マチェック> remko: new status system?
[00:55:46] <remko> nah, too intrusive for 0.11
[00:55:55] <remko> we want 0.11 to be finished one day in 2006 :)
[00:59:08] <マチェック> so now just waiting for qt4.2? :)
[00:59:25] <remko> not only, but that's what keeping us from doing a beta3
[01:00:53] <マチェック> so now's kev's chance to do dome commits ;)
[01:01:46] <Norman> heh,
[01:04:36] <albert> Isn't there a QCA update before beta3 also?
[01:05:14] <hawke> Hmm -- I do not like the new Psi trayicon rightclick status menu, in that it gives the name of the status instead of saying "status"
[01:05:34] <remko> is that new ?
[01:05:43] <remko> albert: might be
[01:05:46] <albert> I like that actually.
[01:06:07] <hawke> New since 0.10 anyway
[01:06:18] <hawke> It make it hard to find, since the name changes depending on my status
[01:06:22] <albert> We didn't get a clear answer on wether there would be a new qca or iris before july...
[01:06:27] <hawke> IMO only the icon should change
[01:07:07] <remko> hawke: oh, i don't have a clue what you're talking about actually :)
[01:07:21] <マチェック> remko: about menu item name
[01:07:38] <マチェック> which changes to "online" or "away" instead of being "status"
[01:07:48] <remko> hmm, that does sound odd
[01:08:01] <hawke> what maciek said.
[01:08:16] <albert> But the position is always the same. Do you mean it moves around to other places depending on status?
[01:08:28] <hawke> No, I just mean that the name changes
[01:08:30] <remko> hawke: i don't have a tray, so i can't check.
[01:08:38] <hawke> remko: OK, gotcha
[01:08:40] <remko> but name changes in menus, that sounds pretty bad
[01:09:12] <hawke> Yes, I find it confusing, even after I became used to it.
[01:10:03] <remko> can't blame you
[01:10:26] <albert> Is it a menu or a toolbar? A menu in a toolbar?
[01:10:42] <hawke> albert: a menu.
[01:11:55] <albert> Right-click says "Configure Toolbar". I guess that is wrong then.
[01:12:10] <remko> albert: he's talking about the system tray
[01:12:39] <albert> Ah.
[01:12:41] <hawke> yes -- system tray, tray icon, notification area icon ...
[01:13:10] <albert> Name changes, but it is always at the same position in the menu atleast.
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[01:13:38] <albert> Bad would be if the menu was sorted differently depending on stauts.
[01:13:44] <Kola> Norman: is that 1GB/mo with coral?
[01:13:49] <hawke> I think it's bad as is. :-)
[01:14:27] <remko> hawke: i see it now
[01:15:22] <hawke> ok
[01:17:16] <remko> hawke: it wasn't intentional i think
[01:19:13] <remko> hawke: let's see if i can quick-fix it
[01:20:16] <remko> i think i did
[01:21:36] <remko> hawke: can you pull, make, and confirm ?
[01:22:59] <マチェック> I don't know why, but I always get 100 great ideas what to do when I'm busy with sth else which I cannot really delay..
[01:23:17] <Kola> active brain
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[01:25:57] <albert> I got both "online" and "status" now.
[01:26:32] <hawke> will do
[01:26:34] <psidekick> 22 Jun 21:20 - Fixed status menu in system tray. - Fixed status menu in system tray. - http://dev.psi-im.org/darcs/web/darcsweb.cgi?r=psi;a=commit;h=20060622212041-04f00-fad07e68cb0cd13e8035520dee68161bf4618b11.gz
[01:27:18] <remko> haha
[01:27:22] <remko> well done, remko
[01:27:32] <Kola> bbl
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[01:28:28] <hawke> brb
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[01:30:16] <hawke> Heh, yeah, I get the same as albert now.
[01:30:29] <remko> yeah, one of my better things to do
[01:30:35] <remko> add a new menu, but forget to remove the old one
[01:30:44] <remko> while i'm at it, would anyone prefer the status menu inline ?
[01:31:07] <hawke> meaning ..?
[01:31:12] <remko> no extra Status->
[01:31:13] <hawke> inline with what?
[01:31:18] <remko> in the tooltip menu
[01:31:58] <remko> i guess it's a bit overwhelming to do that
[01:32:08] <remko> something for after the status rewrite then
[01:32:09] <hawke> Oh, you mean make it not a status menu?
[01:32:13] <remko> yeah
[01:32:16] <hawke> er, not a submenu that is
[01:32:19] <hawke> definitely not
[01:32:19] <remko> indeed
[01:32:22] <hawke> It's way too big
[01:32:29] <remko> yeah, but suppose it would be a lot smaller
[01:32:39] <hawke> it would?
[01:32:42] <remko> anyway, discussion for later
[01:32:43] <remko> yeah
[01:33:07] <remko> although the extra menu isn't so bad i guess
[01:33:15] <remko> hawke: i pushed the patch to remove the old menu
[01:33:26] <hawke> cool
[01:33:28] <hawke> pulling now
[01:34:02] <hawke> It might be neat to have the trayicon menu have whatever menus the user has defined in their roster, what do you think?
[01:34:17] <remko> both are not really related necessarily
[01:34:28] <remko> i for one would only be interested in a status menu in my tray
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[01:34:44] <remko> but i want all the other menus in my app
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[01:35:05] <hawke> The tray currently also has the Psi menu
[01:35:15] <remko> indeed
[01:35:19] <albert> Seems to work here.
[01:36:07] <hawke> albert: apparently I need a faster machine. :-D
[01:36:14] <iono> I've already got one.
[01:36:19] <iono> yes yes, it's very nice
[01:36:27] <albert> Yeah Iono, you do.
[01:36:34] <hawke> Hehe, he probably does.
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[01:36:45] <hawke> iono: what processor do you run on?
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[01:36:58] <マチェック> I mostly use try icon menu to change status. 2nd use it to turn off, but I don't really do this often
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[01:37:09] <hawke> brb
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[01:37:17] <マチェック> for other things I usually open main window first
[01:37:28] <albert> Can someone reproduce this chrash:
[01:37:40] <albert> right-click on button, configure toolbar
[01:38:00] <albert> click add, pick the new unnamed entry in toolbar, crash
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[01:39:16] <hawke> remko: any chance of getting the status menu to include the appropriate status icon?
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[01:40:54] <hawke> albert: I can repro that crash
[01:40:56] <hawke> ASSERT failure in QList<T>::at: "index out of range", file ../../../../include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h,
[01:42:32] <remko> albert: it's in Qt4_Issues
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[01:42:51] <remko> hawke: appropriate status icon where ?
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[01:43:34] <hawke> remko: on the status item -- like it was as far as the icon, but like it is now as far as the text.
[01:44:30] <remko> this job is too hard
[01:44:32] <remko> :)
[01:45:06] <albert> The wiki seems to have troubles with the search feature.
[01:45:13] <remko> hawke: i think i'll leave it here for now if you don't mind ;)
[01:45:14] <remko> albert: yeah
[01:46:26] <hawke> remko: yeah, that's fine.
[01:46:35] <albert> "In very large rosters (700+) when animated event comes, Psi+X process start to eat more than 50% CPU on Linux."
[01:46:44] <hawke> wow
[01:46:49] <hawke> that's a weird case. :-)
[01:46:50] <albert> That seems like an old note. Could it be related to the one that showed up in 4.1.3?
[01:47:05] <remko> albert: if you ask me, it's something we have been coping with for a long long time
[01:47:57] <remko> although on X it was ok i think. It's probably because the complete roster is redrawn with animation
[01:47:58] <remko> s
[01:48:51] <albert> So it is not something that will be fixed with the event bug.
[01:50:12] <albert> "While using Russian locale on Mac, non-Cyrillic characters are inserted in QTextEdit when typing fast (OS X)" is supposed to be fixed in 4.1.3.
[01:51:16] <remko> the list is a bit outdated
[01:51:20] <remko> we need to update some stuff
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[01:53:27] <albert> Hmm. They got some bugs that are set for 4.1.4 and some for 4.2.0. I guess 4.1.4 is next patch and 4.2.0 is next minor version.
[01:56:41] <albert> Ah. 4.1.4 is released.
[01:56:55] <remko> it is ?
[01:57:05] <psidekick> 22 Jun 21:28 - Remove the old status menu from the tray. - Remove the old status menu from the tray. - http://dev.psi-im.org/darcs/web/darcsweb.cgi?r=psi;a=commit;h=20060622212803-04f00-bfcf587ac3e016e2b67fb463025996ae26b899c3.gz
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[02:03:58] <c00i90wn> remko: is there any version control of qt to make updates easier?
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[02:04:48] <マチェック> hawke: if you're still curious how to pronunce my name: http://machekku.uaznia.net/maciek.ogg
[02:04:53] <remko> c00i90wn: they have an rsync repository
[02:04:59] <マチェック> (ah, I really hate recording my voice)
[02:05:25] <c00i90wn> remko: guess it's not available for windows then :(
[02:05:35] <c00i90wn> starting to hate windows
[02:05:47] <remko> machekku: that's what i would have said. Except the last name
[02:06:34] <マチェック> luckily I'm not your boss, so you don't need to call my by my last name ;)
[02:07:21] <hawke> Wow, I was way off on the last name. :-D
[02:07:44] <マチェック> c00i90wn: it is available in cygwin
[02:08:05] <albert> You should have said: Hello, My name is Maciek Niedzielski, and I pronouce Maciek Niedzielski Maciek Niedzielski." :-)
[02:08:11] <hawke> as
[02:08:17] <マチェック> I know, I know :)
[02:08:26] <ALok> you know romanji right?
[02:08:33] <hawke> "Hello, My name is Maciek Niedzielski, and I pronouce Maciek Niedzielski Maciek /as/ Niedzielski."
[02:08:38] <hawke> blah
[02:08:41] <hawke> I screwed that up
[02:08:44] <hawke> but you know what I meant
[02:08:44] <マチェック> don't ask me to write Niedzielski in romaji, ALok ;)
[02:08:55] <ALok> i was thinking of "machekku"
[02:09:04] <ALok> or whatever you are
[02:09:35] <マチェック> ALok: machekku is meant to sound as "Maciek"
[02:09:46] <ALok> i mean... the romanji
[02:09:52] <albert> I'll upgrade Qt while I sleep.
[02:10:05] <albert> It was added to portage 2 hours ago after all.
[02:10:35] <マチェック> ALok: sorry, I got lost
[02:12:22] ALok says エロク
[02:12:58] <マチェック> eroku?
[02:13:17] <ALok> :)
[02:13:23] <マチェック> ero-ku, erotic district :D
[02:13:43] <ALok> i was trying to figure out how to make "ALok"
[02:13:54] <ALok> pronounced eh lock
[02:14:10] <マチェック> ask Ug :)
[02:14:37] <Ug> Hi, goo morning!
[02:14:46] <マチェック> haha :)
[02:15:09] <マチェック> Ug: is it enough to call your name to make you appear here? :)
[02:16:03] <Ug> Sorry I dont think so.
[02:16:28] <Ug> I enjoy gogeous tokyo life always.
[02:16:38] <ALok> lol
[02:16:51] <ALok> what do you think about "エロク"
[02:16:59] <Ug> so it's too short to be in my apartment.
[02:17:04] <ALok> ...
[02:17:37] <Ug> I am happy to tell me the time you want to talk.
[02:17:37] <Neustradamus> http://www.trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2006-06-22.0973899424/
[02:17:47] <Ug> if you have specific topic.
[02:18:05] <ALok> [18:14:19] <マチェック> ask Ug :)
[02:18:11] <Ug> Then I will be in front of Psi.
[02:18:22] <ALok> about katakana transliteration of "ALok"
[02:18:33] <ALok> "eh lock"
[02:18:43] <remko> that's it ?!
[02:18:59] <Ug> アロック
[02:19:30] <Ug> must be most simmilar way to pronounce in Kana expression.
[02:19:52] <remko> qt 4.1.4 doesn't sound very revolutionary
[02:20:04] <VxJasonxV> as long as it ditches the 100% cpu bug, I'm sure you'll survive
[02:20:04] <ALok> [arotsuku] ?
[02:20:15] <マチェック> ALok: this is small tsu
[02:20:19] <マチェック> like in machekku
[02:20:24] <マチェック> arokku
[02:20:27] <remko> looking at the changelog, it doesn't, but i'm curious to hear from you guys :)
[02:20:30] <ALok> but "ah"
[02:20:34] <ALok> i was thinking "eh"
[02:20:44] <ALok> or am i reading it wrong?
[02:21:17] <albert> It is not supposed to fix it. That was sheduled for 4.2.0.
[02:21:51] <Ug> Ask マチェック
[02:22:14] <マチェック> Ug: I'm just pretending to know Japanese, sorry ;)
[02:22:19] <Ug> You know utcluj.ro ?
[02:23:13] <Ug> I got some mail from person from there
[02:23:32] <Ug> who are interested to expand XCAST.
[02:23:34] <ALok> was the guy from nigeria?
[02:23:49] <ALok> and was there lots of money?
[02:24:01] <Ug> I hope they are not, :-)
[02:24:20] <ALok> i have a spsm email account...
[02:24:24] <ALok> i get all that crap
[02:24:30] <ALok> all the time :)
[02:24:42] <Ug> With thier proposal they wrote several papers about that,
[02:25:16] <Ug> but I want to know they have good hands writing kernel codes.
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[02:25:29] <Ug> not just academic papers.
[02:25:54] <albert> It seems it does not even fix alot of things the bugtracker has scheduled for 4.1.4.
[02:26:08] <remko> indeed
[02:26:16] <remko> no Q3* things, which is looking bad for our 100% CPU bug
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[02:27:00] <ALok> i love the chatlog thing in jabber
[02:27:01] <Ug> Tell me about the Univ. anything you know, マチェック.
[02:27:17] <マチェック> Ug: which univ?
[02:28:01] <Ug> Oh,
[02:28:11] <Ug> I made very big mistake.
[02:28:40] <Ug> the univ located in romania not Poland
[02:29:09] <Ug> So sorry to confusing that.
[02:29:14] <albert> "QTextEdit garbles pasted text on Windows" doesn't seem to be fixed either according to the log as far as I can see.
[02:29:18] <Ug> For your info.
[02:29:23] <マチェック> don't worry, it's 7am in Japan, I understand you may be too sleepy ;)
[02:29:44] <remko> albert: i thought that was fixed a long time ago
[02:30:07] <albert> Maybe it was. I just can't find it closed in their task tracker.
[02:30:34] <マチェック> Ug: there is a person from Romania appearing here from time to time (IceRAM), but sadly not now
[02:30:54] <albert> Ah, scheduled for 4.2.0 but the notes says 4.1.4. Not closed yet.
[02:32:15] <Ug> Univ is "the technical university CLUJ-NAPOCA"
[02:32:51] <Ug> Ok I will ask IceRAM when I can meet him.
[02:33:15] <Ug> Thanks, マチェック.
[02:35:12] <マチェック> Ug: check priv msg
[02:35:36] <Ug> I now checking.
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[02:43:58] <iono> Lum de dum de dum...
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[02:46:09] <c00i90wn> to whom it may concern, ability to drop files on chats to start a file transfer would be a great feature to add :)
[02:46:17] <Kev> you can do that
[02:46:25] <Kev> you just have to drop the file reasonably precisely
[02:46:38] <マチェック> c00i90wn: on the grey :)
[02:47:12] <c00i90wn> ah, ok, expanding the area would be great then :)
[02:47:39] <マチェック> c00i90wn: disable compact mode :)
[02:48:14] <c00i90wn> it's disabled, but would be great to be able to drop them in edit boxes, more intuitive
[02:48:27] <hawke> Does it give visual feedback, like turning into a forbid icon over places that it can't send?
[02:48:36] <Kev> hawke: yeah, should do
[02:48:46] <マチェック> dropping on edit box? I'd rather expect this to paste filename, or sth like this
[02:48:47] <Kev> oh, hm, no
[02:48:47] <hawke> and ideally turning into the FT icon over places where it can. ;-)
[03:00:19] <albert> Dropping on the history part of the window works for me.
[03:00:38] <albert> And it does paste the filename if dragged to the edit section.
[03:00:52] <hawke> hehe, nice
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[03:15:40] <マチェック> somebody say sth, or I'll have to get back to studying ;)
[03:16:24] <Kev> laaaaa
[03:16:28] <Kev> lalalallalalalllaaaaa
[03:16:34] <マチェック> :)
[03:16:34] <Kev> iono: will you now say something?
[03:16:42] <マチェック> thanks, Kev :)
[03:16:44] <iono> can't wait
[03:16:44] <iono> I will prepare food with my iron fist.
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[03:17:34] <hawke> something
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[03:18:12] <Kev> gragh
[03:18:19] <Kev> silly old crashy Psi
[03:18:46] <albert> sth
[03:18:52] <Kev> however, I can't compile a new build until the damn gigabyteslarge dev package for osx is downloaded
[03:20:50] <albert> The mac mini?
[03:20:56] <Kev> yeah
[03:21:10] <albert> How common is it with errorenous RAM in those?
[03:21:26] <Kev> if you fit the ram yourself, and it's faulty before you fit it...very
[03:21:55] <Kev> the ram that came with it was fine (only 256mb though) but that got dispatched to another machine long ago when I 'upgraded' to a gig
[03:22:23] <Kev> alas, the gig was faulty, a fact I only later realised, as I upgraded to 10.4 at the same time, and blamed the upgrade for the crashes
[03:22:41] <albert> And now it is working with a new fresh and healthy gig?
[03:22:42] <Kev> the moral of the story is to never buy ram from http://ebuyer.co.uk
[03:22:53] <Kev> new fresh and healthy half-gig
[03:23:44] <albert> I see. Is it possible to go 768?
[03:23:47] <Kev> no
[03:23:52] <Kev> single-dimm
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[03:25:13] <Kev> these segfaults stopped being fun several hours ago
[03:25:27] <Kev> Remko's psi builds just seem to hate me :o
[03:25:38] <hawke> out.
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[03:25:55] <Kev> so I'll leave the muc and see if that helps I guess
[03:26:07] <Kev> be back tomorrow when, hopefully, I'll have my own builds :)
[03:39:20] <マチェック> how poor, I'm no longer the top fan of GO!GO!7188 on last.fm...
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[03:41:14] <マチェック> oh, now I'm the top fan of fra-foa, interesting :D
[04:01:21] <ALok> is there a way to make darcs pull everything?
[04:01:29] <ALok> without asking
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[04:03:36] <ALok> ..
[04:03:38] <ALok> :(
[04:03:44] <マチェック> is pressing "a" once good enough?
[04:03:49] <ALok> no
[04:03:56] <ALok> i intend on it running automaticlly
[04:04:15] <マチェック> how about piping echo?
[04:04:28] <ALok> i was gonna pipe "yes" command
[04:05:04] <マチェック> it's enough to send one "a" character
[04:05:10] <マチェック> I think
[04:05:17] <ALok> 'yes | darcs pull'
[04:05:19] <ALok> :)
[04:05:24] <ALok> i hope that works
[04:05:33] <iono> :)
[04:05:39] <ALok> yea iono
[04:05:54] <ALok> nope...
[04:05:56] <ALok> does not work
[04:06:42] <ALok> piping aprently does not work for me i dont; think
[04:06:45] <ALok> wait...
[04:06:50] <ALok> nm
[04:06:54] <ALok> i htink i screw up something
[04:07:26] <マチェック> how about "darcs pull < yes"? or it's not this shell?
[04:07:33] <ALok> nm
[04:07:35] <ALok> i got it to work
[04:07:38] <ALok> i screw it up
[04:07:45] <ALok> but 'yes | darcs pull' works
[04:07:55] <ALok> the '<' is for piping files
[04:08:08] <ALok> '|' is for piping stdout to stdin
[04:08:09] <マチェック> ah right
[04:08:26] <ALok> i personally never used it
[04:08:29] <マチェック> maybe I should go to sleep
[04:08:37] <ALok> cat file | something
[04:08:54] <ALok> i think i am done writing my nightly build script
[04:09:04] <ALok> i think...
[04:09:14] <ALok> i hope i did not screw up
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[04:27:59] <iono> darcs pull -a
[04:28:12] <ALok> :(
[04:28:29] <ALok> iono is too smart
[04:28:37] <ALok> Kev make him dumber
[04:28:57] <iono> sometimes he gets a little help being smart
[04:29:05] <ALok> :)
[04:29:10] <iono> -_-
[04:29:14] <ALok> :(
[04:29:25] <マチェック> some pills? ;)
[04:29:51] <iono> yes, but only on Sundays and selected Bank holidays
[04:29:57] <ALok> ritalin
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[06:13:28] <マチェック> no scrollbar on room's userlist? what happened? :)
[06:15:57] <マチェック> bear: http://pyxmpp.jajcus.net/ works now, if you still need it
[06:20:02] <bear> coolness - thanks
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[06:27:17] <Restle> Hi all
[06:27:25] <マチェック> hello
[06:27:49] <Restle> does anybody know, is a bug 100%cpu fixed in qt 4.1.4?
[06:28:16] <Restle> Or it must by fix manualy?
[06:28:34] <マチェック> from reading the changelog, people say that it's rather not fixed
[06:28:58] <Restle> Blin...
[06:29:37] <マチェック> but also someone said that disabling event norification (on toolbar) "solves" the problem
[06:31:49] <Restle> popup event notify?
[06:32:16] <マチェック> no
[06:32:33] <マチェック> by default, it appears at the bottom of your roster window
[06:32:42] <マチェック> "1 even received"
[06:32:46] <マチェック> *event
[06:33:43] <Restle> there is no enabled check :(
[06:34:01] <マチェック> ?
[06:34:21] <Restle> But... I can try :)
[06:34:27] <マチェック> (it's almost 5am here, so I may have problems to understand, sorry)
[06:34:48] <マチェック> if you mean that you cannot find a way to disable: it is in toolbars config
[06:35:22] <Restle> Ok, now it not show number events..
[06:35:40] <Restle> Well, now try to compile qt :)
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[06:40:08] <ALok@lappy> you have to delete the tool bar
[06:40:19] <ALok@lappy> delete the event bar
[06:40:43] <ALok@lappy> its at the top of the toolbar options section
[06:41:37] <ALok@lappy> or really you need to delete the event count item from the toolbars
[06:41:40] <Restle> Ok :)
[06:43:46] <c00i90wn> actually according to mblasha it was already fixed in trunk
[06:44:49] <c00i90wn> so it should be fixed on .4
[06:44:57] <ALok@lappy> really?
[06:45:07] <c00i90wn> yeah
[06:45:08] <ALok@lappy> is 4.14 out yet?
[06:45:16] <c00i90wn> albert: said that
[06:45:36] <c00i90wn> oops damn autocomplete that adds the : :P
[06:45:39] <ALok@lappy> ...
[06:45:42] <ALok@lappy> :)
[06:45:48] <c00i90wn> it was albert said that
[06:45:49] <c00i90wn> :P
[06:45:57] <Restle> it out
[06:46:04] <ALok@lappy> crap...
[06:46:06] <ALok@lappy> i
[06:46:14] <ALok@lappy> i'll need to get it at somepoint
[06:46:21] <Restle> but...
[06:46:23] <Restle> [09:34:29] <マチェック> from reading the changelog, people say that it's rather not fixed
[06:46:46] <c00i90wn> I know, that's why I said actually :p
[06:47:05] <c00i90wn> I think マチェック was wrong :P
[06:47:15] <c00i90wn> but who knows :p
[06:47:31] <Restle> So, i can try :)
[06:47:52] <ALok@lappy> sigh
[06:48:01] <ALok@lappy> i don't have time to try now...
[06:48:04] <ALok@lappy> i need to sleep
[06:48:07] <マチェック> c00i90wn: after looking at the changelog, remko said:
[06:48:08] <マチェック> [00:26:32] <remko> no Q3* things, which is looking bad for our 100% CPU bug
[06:48:13] <Restle> sleep is good :)
[06:48:36] <c00i90wn> didn't saw that
[06:48:47] <マチェック> but if mblsha saw this really being fixed in the source, then maybe it just wasn't mentioned in the changelog
[06:48:55] <c00i90wn> well, there was some .patch to fix it
[06:49:22] <c00i90wn> mblsha pasted it some days ago
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[06:49:33] <c00i90wn> when I said there was a bug :P
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[06:50:12] <c00i90wn> Restle: I think you should really try the patch
[06:50:27] <c00i90wn> s/patch/new version/
[06:50:38] <ALok@lappy> does anybody know? how do i upgrade Qt?
[06:50:46] <ALok@lappy> can i do it just the source in win32?
[06:51:03] <ALok@lappy> or wait...
[06:51:06] <ALok@lappy> i am sleepy
[06:51:11] <ALok@lappy> i have no idea what i am sying
[06:51:37] <c00i90wn> ALok@lappy: replace sources rebuild
[06:51:44] <ALok@lappy> 'll think about it later...
[06:51:54] <ALok@lappy> lasttime i got the installer
[06:52:13] <ALok@lappy> i think its prebuilt
[06:52:18] <ALok@lappy> i think...
[06:52:19] <c00i90wn> ALok@lappy: I found out that compiling from source is better
[06:52:34] <ALok@lappy> how?
[06:52:39] <ALok@lappy> smaller?
[06:52:42] <c00i90wn> ALok@lappy: you get gif support when compiling from source
[06:52:50] <ALok@lappy> ...
[06:53:00] <c00i90wn> what?
[06:53:01] <ALok@lappy> i dont use gifs
[06:53:09] <c00i90wn> emoticons do :P
[06:53:17] <Restle> c00i90wn, patch for qt?
[06:53:17] <ALok@lappy> how long is the Qt install?
[06:53:24] <ALok@lappy> png > gif
[06:53:27] <c00i90wn> Restle: I said new version :P
[06:53:42] <Restle> Ups :)
[06:54:11] <c00i90wn> ALok@lappy: what?
[06:54:26] <ALok@lappy> how long does Qt take to compile?
[06:54:52] <c00i90wn> from 2 to 4 hours
[06:54:59] <ALok@lappy> o.0 i am out of it...
[06:55:00] <Restle> It depends
[06:55:07] <ALok@lappy> depends?
[06:55:13] <Restle> yes :)
[06:55:17] <Restle> from mem size
[06:55:19] <ALok@lappy> i have 1600 Duron with 512mb
[06:55:22] <Restle> cpu ratio
[06:55:37] <マチェック> and compiler
[06:55:39] <ALok@lappy> pc3200
[06:55:42] <Restle> but u can stay it compile and go to sleep :)
[06:55:57] <c00i90wn> right
[06:56:04] <ALok@lappy> i would try and start...
[06:56:07] <ALok@lappy> but...
[06:56:15] <ALok@lappy> i am out
[06:56:16] <c00i90wn> last time I compiled Qt 4 times in a row
[06:56:17] <ALok@lappy> wow
[06:56:21] <c00i90wn> so do the math :P
[06:56:35] <ALok@lappy> compile Qt4 time in row
[06:56:39] <Restle> Oh, it begin :)
[06:56:46] <ALok@lappy> compied Qt 4 times in a row
[06:56:53] <c00i90wn> Qt4 four times
[06:56:53] <iono> did you see that..
[06:56:59] <ALok@lappy> iono no
[06:57:08] <ALok@lappy> show me again iono
[06:57:17] <マチェック> last time I compiled and did make clean to save some space, then, when compiling psi, it turned out that make clean deleted some libs.. so I had to compile again...
[06:57:24] c00i90wn drives over iono
[06:57:30] iono notes c00i90wn in return
[06:57:48] ALok@lappy gives iono rose bushes
[06:57:53] <iono> Do I want this?
[06:57:57] <c00i90wn> lol, last time I compiled then decided to change dirs
[06:58:01] <c00i90wn> recompile :P
[06:58:02] <c00i90wn> hehe
[06:58:15] <マチェック> c00i90wn: use symlinks ;)
[06:58:21] <c00i90wn> on windows
[06:58:22] <c00i90wn> ?
[06:58:24] <c00i90wn> hehe
[06:58:26] <マチェック> use junctions
[06:58:32] <c00i90wn> they suck :P
[06:58:33] <c00i90wn> hhee
[06:58:37] <マチェック> works for me
[06:58:39] <ALok@lappy> cygwin symlinks in windows are "shortcuts"
[06:58:45] <ALok@lappy> as in .lnk files
[06:58:52] <マチェック> ALok@lappy: I mean junctions, not lnk files
[06:58:53] <c00i90wn> ALok@lappy: he said JUNCTIONS!
[06:58:54] <ALok@lappy> seems to work in cygwin programs
[06:59:12] <ALok@lappy> but windwows just sees shortcuts
[06:59:13] <マチェック> NTFS junctions
[06:59:23] <ALok@lappy> hard links are funny inw ntfs
[06:59:30] <ALok@lappy> if thats what junctions are
[06:59:43] <ALok@lappy> because windows thinks they are second copies of the same file...
[06:59:49] <c00i90wn> hard links != junctions
[06:59:54] <ALok@lappy> but disk usage does not change
[07:00:06] <ALok@lappy> what is a junction?
[07:00:21] <c00i90wn> too hard to explain at 0000 :P
[07:00:27] <マチェック> C:\Inet\ftp\pub>dir
Wolumin w stacji C to Hacchaki
Numer seryjny woluminu: 6880-86AE
Katalog: C:\Inet\ftp\pub
2006-06-20 22:02 <DIR> .
2006-06-20 22:02 <DIR> ..
2006-06-04 08:12 <DIR> Densha Otoko
2006-06-01 21:02 <DIR> incoming
2006-04-13 23:26 52 410 212 Incredible Machines.gvi
2006-01-23 15:35 <JUNCTION> j-music <- this
2006-06-20 22:02 <JUNCTION> mplayer
2006-01-19 18:36 <JUNCTION> nauka
2006-03-04 10:49 <DIR> test
2006-04-01 19:11 <DIR> tmp
1 plik(ów) 52 410 212 bajtów
9 katalog(ów) 163 733 504 bajtów wolnych
[07:00:31] <ALok@lappy> ?
[07:00:39] <ALok@lappy> is there wiki on it?
[07:00:53] <ALok@lappy> send me to a page
[07:01:11] <マチェック> I'm copying from my system, sorry
[07:01:18] <ALok@lappy> ...
[07:01:22] <ALok@lappy> how do you make them?
[07:01:33] <マチェック> junction.exe from sysinternals.com
[07:01:54] <c00i90wn> didn't read it but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point
[07:02:33] <マチェック> http://www.sysinternals.com/utilities/junction.html
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[07:02:52] <ALok@lappy> mmm
[07:03:01] <ALok@lappy> symlink to dirs
[07:03:18] <c00i90wn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_links
[07:03:30] <ALok@lappy> but windows does not deal well with its own invention
[07:04:29] <muehlbucks> humm... anyone run a proxy65 component?
[07:05:12] <ALok@lappy> ?
[07:05:28] <muehlbucks> bytestream proxy for jabber filetransfers
[07:07:23] <ALok@lappy> i use ftp
[07:07:34] <ALok@lappy> ftp is good for file transfers
[07:08:01] <マチェック> sure, if you have public ip
[07:08:10] <ALok@lappy> or...
[07:08:31] <muehlbucks> well i'd really like to run a proxy65 component but it looks like it might depend on an ancient twisted
[07:08:39] <ALok@lappy> http://www.hamachi.cc/
[07:08:53] <ALok@lappy> jabber should create its own hamachi
[07:09:11] <ALok@lappy> make an extneton of muc
[07:09:17] <ALok@lappy> it would be nice
[07:10:30] <マチェック> ALok@lappy: sometimes it takes too much time to set up VPN just to send one stupid photo ;)
[07:10:40] <ALok@lappy> ...
[07:10:58] <ALok@lappy> which is why we have email
[07:11:21] <マチェック> do you have email address of every person in your roster?
[07:11:30] <ALok@lappy> yes
[07:11:55] <ALok@lappy> my whole list is google talk people
[07:12:00] <ALok@lappy> :)
[07:12:06] <iono> :-)
[07:12:26] <マチェック> I don't think you're a good example of average jabber user ;)
[07:12:40] <ALok@lappy> hehe
[07:13:02] <ALok@lappy> i tend to thikn the hamachi built in to a muc is a good idea
[07:13:07] <ALok@lappy> lets put up a JEP
[07:14:04] <マチェック> I'm not sure how this would work, so I won't help you with the jep, sorry
[07:14:14] <ALok@lappy> :(
[07:14:17] <muehlbucks> i just think it's nice to use psi to send files :-)
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[07:14:30] <ALok@lappy> why do you need a proxy?'
[07:14:35] <muehlbucks> but sometime people can't get their firewalls configured properly
[07:14:44] <muehlbucks> i don't have any problems, but some of my friends do
[07:14:52] <muehlbucks> so i figure... set up a proxy on the server we all use
[07:14:53] ALok@lappy points to hamachi
[07:15:07] <muehlbucks> i just checked out hamachi
[07:15:12] <ALok@lappy> with hamachi you could just use windows shares
[07:15:27] <ALok@lappy> though its kinda silly... i mean its really quick
[07:15:34] <ALok@lappy> its nice for some games too
[07:15:42] <muehlbucks> looks cool, i'll definately play with it
[07:15:59] <マチェック> ALok@lappy: if connections for direct jabber file transfer are blocked on your firewall, I don't think hamachi port will be opened
[07:16:07] ALok@lappy wonders why he is still awake
[07:16:09] <muehlbucks> ah good point
[07:16:18] <ALok@lappy> its not true
[07:16:25] <ALok@lappy> hamachi breaks barriars
[07:16:26] <muehlbucks> anyways, i'm a jabber nut,
[07:16:27] <ALok@lappy> :)
[07:16:53] <ALok@lappy> i have seen hamachi connect 2 client behind severe NATs
[07:17:01] <マチェック> I managed to get opened port for one jabber proxy
[07:17:11] <マチェック> people trying to get hamachi were turned down
[07:17:30] <ALok@lappy> i have only had once case where hamahi did not work
[07:17:44] <ALok@lappy> both clients were behind the same NAT ip
[07:17:54] <ALok@lappy> but inside they were on diff subnets
[07:18:17] <ALok@lappy> so they could not use hamachi to bring them together
[07:18:18] <マチェック> ALok@lappy: doesn't hamachi need tcp connection with hamachi server?
[07:18:23] <ALok@lappy> no
[07:18:26] <ALok@lappy> its udp
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[07:18:34] <マチェック> hmm
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[07:19:17] <マチェック> anyway, if you'd have hamachi integrated with muc, and you'd join 10 chatrooms, your network config would look like one big mess, I guess ;)
[07:19:31] <ALok@lappy> well...
[07:19:43] <ALok@lappy> i would not have it auto enable
[07:20:02] <ALok@lappy> it would be like directconnet from AIM
[07:20:11] <ALok@lappy> you had to specifically start it...
[07:20:32] <ALok@lappy> but, plus if you have used hamachi
[07:20:43] <ALok@lappy> you should be able to connect to multiple rooms
[07:20:45] <ALok@lappy> i thnk...
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[07:21:05] <ALok@lappy> everyone shows up on the same subnet
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[07:21:17] <muehlbucks> i already have a vpn
[07:21:24] <ALok@lappy> netmask 255.0.0.0
[07:21:28] <ALok@lappy> i am going to sleep
[07:21:30] <ALok@lappy> for real
[07:21:37] <muehlbucks> g'nite
[07:21:39] <ALok@lappy> i am gonna die tomorrow if i don;t
[07:21:43] <マチェック> :)
[07:21:57] <マチェック> ALok@lappy: just urusai ;)
[07:22:13] <ALok@lappy> :(
[07:22:25] <ALok@lappy> うるさい
[07:22:31] <マチェック> I just wanted to quote your fav saying ;)
[07:22:37] <マチェック> ok, so oyasumi nasai :)
[07:23:28] <ALok@lappy> someone here is using exodus
[07:24:03] <マチェック> what makes you think so?
[07:24:23] <ALok@lappy> version replies
[07:24:37] <マチェック> it's not me ;)
[07:36:53] <iono> I can't reach this itch ;(
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[08:46:17] <Restle> looks like bug is fixed :)
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[10:37:56] <Restle> /help
[10:37:59] <Restle> :)
[11:06:52] <iono> We are the B0rg. You will be 4551m1la70r3d.
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[11:46:38] <albert> I haven't completly understood how to build QCA without debug.
[11:47:54] <albert> I guess I configure with --disable-tests for now.
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[12:05:21] <albert> I can't say that I get the cpu bug for sure with Qt-4.1.4. What I do know though is that I get a segmentation fault when I double click the event notifier. Is that known?
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[12:06:19] <remko> double click the event notifier
[12:06:22] <remko> allow myself to check
[12:07:09] <remko> albert: nope. bt please
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[12:08:23] <Restle> Hmmm
[12:08:47] <Restle> Here is no
[12:08:54] <Restle> not
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[12:08:59] <Restle> such thing
[12:09:16] <albert> No such thing was? segfault?
[12:09:26] <remko> albert: no idea :-)
[12:09:35] <remko> albert: anyway, do you have a bt ?
[12:09:47] <albert> It seems to be in qca. I only have release mode compilation. Want it anway?
[12:09:53] <Restle> I double click in event not. and here was not segfault
[12:10:00] <remko> albert: better than nothing
[12:10:18] <remko> Restle: are you on Qt 4.1.4 ?
[12:10:20] <Restle> yes
[12:10:31] <remko> well, that's good news at least
[12:10:42] <Restle> but i don't recompile qca
[12:10:42] <remko> Restle: do you have the 100% cpu bug ?
[12:10:45] <Restle> no
[12:10:47] <Restle> :)
[12:10:50] <remko> Restle: shouldn't be necessary
[12:10:53] <Restle> Here is not cpu bug :)
[12:12:44] <Restle> Than now psi is stable, but without font & color :)
[12:12:49] <albert> 0xb7f1cefe in qDeleteAll<QList<QCA::KeyStoreListContext*>::const_iterator> () from /usr/local/lib/libqca.so.2
(gdb) bt full
#0 0xb7f1cefe in qDeleteAll<QList<QCA::KeyStoreListContext*>::const_iterator> () from /usr/local/lib/libqca.so.2
#1 0xb7f1cf4a in qDeleteAll<QList<QCA::KeyStoreListContext*> > () from /usr/local/lib/libqca.so.2
#2 0xb7f1db2a in QCA::KeyStoreTracker::~KeyStoreTracker () from /usr/local/lib/libqca.so.2
#3 0xb7f1df65 in QCA::KeyStoreThread::run () from /usr/local/lib/libqca.so.2
#4 0xb747ba51 in QThread::currentThread () from /usr/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so.4
#5 0xb742b264 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#6 0xb72b0b1e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
[12:12:59] <albert> And then No symbol table info available. between every line.
[12:13:17] <albert> The pastebin service seems to not be responding properly.
[12:13:27] <remko> albert: well, i guess a debug build could help :D
[12:13:48] <albert> Yeah. Working on that.
[12:13:51] <remko> okay
[12:39:48] <remko> Restle: without font & color ? yeah, that's been like that since 4.1.3
[12:40:06] <remko> Restle: easy hack around it, we'll just select the second tab and then the first tab if we don't find the solution ;)
[12:40:50] <Restle> O! Yes :)
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[13:33:50] <Restle> Remko, does exist some color schemes? Different from default? :)
[13:34:35] <iono> yellow. no! blue!
[13:35:50] <Restle> lol
[13:35:52] <Restle> :)
[13:35:58] <iono> :o)
[13:36:25] <remko> Restle: for ?
[13:36:32] <iono> eh?
[13:36:38] <remko> Restle: what do you mean by a color scheme ?
[13:36:44] <Restle> for psi
[13:37:44] <Restle> some colors that lovely for eyes :)))
[13:41:53] <iono> Wheeeee.
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[13:49:15] <albert> Hmm. I am sure everything is built as debug but for some reason it can't find the SSL plugin.
[13:49:36] <albert> It should be enough to build qca with --enable-debug?
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[14:03:24] <albert> My Qt is built with debug. QCA is configured, built and installed with --enable-debug. The plugins got no such option as far as I can see. Yet Psi says that I can't connect because the SSL plugin is missing.
[14:04:47] <Kev> well, look on the bright side
[14:04:53] <Kev> my build simply segfaults :)
[14:05:45] <albert> qcatool says:
[14:05:49] <albert> qca: checking file: [/usr/lib/qt4/plugins/crypto/libqca-openssl.so]
qca: PluginInstance fromFile [/usr/lib/qt4/plugins/crypto/libqca-openssl.so]
qca: failed to load
[14:08:44] <Kev> did you recompile the plugin with debup?
[14:09:34] <albert> I tried to enable it but there was no obvious way.
[14:09:43] <Kev> edit the .pro file
[14:09:48] <Restle> what is ldd /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/crypto/libqca-openssl.so
[14:09:49] <Kev> and add CONFIG += debug
[14:09:58] <albert> Then I read the windows instruction in the wiki and it says that for release mode I should remove a line that isn't there.
[14:10:35] <albert> Someone should fix the wiki so it builds the same type of debug or release build on all platforms.
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[14:18:47] <albert> remko: if I run the debug build in gdb and double click the event notifier then it exits normally.
[14:19:11] <albert> remko: and thus no bt
[14:20:16] <albert> It doesn't crash/exit every time I do it...
[14:22:33] <albert> Now I got a new error while doing it:
[14:22:45] <albert> thread_db_get_info: cannot get thread info: generic error
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[14:27:10] <VxJasonxV^Work> Hello from Kubuntu!
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[14:34:46] <Kev> oh you poor thing
[14:34:49] <Kev> kde? :)
[14:36:17] <VxJasonxV^Work> yes, kde
[14:36:27] <VxJasonxV^Work> why "you poor thing" ?
[14:36:33] <Kev> oh well, can't be helped I guess
[14:36:41] <Kev> ah, I don't get along well with kde
[14:36:57] <Kev> has some nice applications, but kde itself and I don't get along
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[14:37:04] <VxJasonxV^Work> What do you use?
[14:37:11] <Kev> OSX mostly
[14:37:18] <Kev> on linux, fluxbox or gnome
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[14:37:51] <VxJasonxV^Work> yet you use Qt? :)
[14:38:03] <Kev> Qt's great
[14:38:18] <Kev> but that doesn't mean I'll like every app written with it
[14:38:39] <albert> Kmail is great.
[14:38:53] <Kev> kmail and I don't get on either
[14:39:03] <Kev> used to have a bug where it'd wipe the contents of your mails
[14:39:08] <Kev> which is quite frustrating
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[14:39:44] <albert> I've tried outlook, outlook express, eudora, thunderbird and m2.
[14:39:56] <albert> Kmail is better than those.
[14:40:54] <Kev> I'm not sure I'd agree abou tb
[14:41:06] <Kev> I have no idea what m2 is though
[14:41:12] <Kev> but on a mac I just use Mail.app
[14:41:36] <VxJasonxV^Work> Thunderbird <3<3<3
[14:43:06] <albert> Thunderbird always combine security fixes with UI changes.
[14:43:16] <albert> It forgets which messages that are read.
[14:43:38] <Kev> surely that's less bad than deleting the messages? :)
[14:44:07] <albert> I haven't had any messages deleted.
[14:44:27] <Kev> used to happen to me over the space of years
[14:44:31] <albert> IMAP also works better with kmail than it did with any other clients.
[14:44:50] <Kev> never worked out what triggered it, but I stopped using kmail each time it did it, until the next kde releas
[14:46:15] <albert> Only lost messages I know of have been with Psi.
[14:46:30] <VxJasonxV^Work> To use this product, you need to install free software
[14:46:39] <Kev> VxJasonxV^Work: ?
[14:46:39] <VxJasonxV^Work> Step 1: Download Microsoft© Internet Explorer 6
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 is free to downlo
[14:46:45] <VxJasonxV^Work> HAHAHAHAHA THAt'S FUNNY
[14:46:46] <VxJasonxV^Work> -_-
[14:47:28] <albert> "To use this product, you need to install gratis software that only works with an expensive operating system."
[14:47:33] <VxJasonxV^Work> :)
[14:52:10] <VxJasonxV^Work> And why can't I find my freaking focus follows mouse settings
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[15:06:31] <ALok@lappy> remko: did i hear correctly that qt4.1.4 fixes the cpu bug?
[15:08:14] <remko> no, what we do know is that it hasn't shown up in414 so far
[15:08:43] <remko> but the bug tends to 'suddenly' appear
[15:08:55] <remko> so we'll have to wait a bit longer and see ;)
[15:10:40] <VxJasonxV^Work> hmmm
[15:10:50] <albert> From the source:
void Q3DockAreaLayout::invalidate()
{
dirty = true;
cached_width = 0;
cached_height = 0;
layoutItems(geometry());
}
[15:10:51] <VxJasonxV^Work> I don't suppose anyone could tell me how I could set xterm to have the term of xterm-color
[15:10:51] <ALok@lappy> ok, because some people were claiming it was fixed
[15:10:58] <VxJasonxV^Work> ... oh wait, that's retardedly easy to do
[15:11:13] <remko> VxJasonxV: export TERM=...
[15:11:14] <remko> :)
[15:11:24] <VxJasonxV^Work> yeaaaah
[15:11:24] <iono> :o)
[15:11:30] <remko> albert: and so ...
[15:11:41] <albert> And that is not how it looked in 4.1.3.
[15:11:48] <remko> ok
[15:11:56] <remko> sounds promising
[15:12:12] ALok@lappy invalidates albert
[15:12:20] <ALok@lappy> <.<
[15:12:22] <ALok@lappy> >.>
[15:12:32] <albert> mblsha said that the condition first should be removed:
if (!dirty)
QApplication::postEvent(parent(), new QEvent(QEvent::LayoutHint));
[15:12:40] <albert> And it seems it is.
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[15:12:51] ALok@lappy is dirty
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[15:13:55] ALok@lappy will go to work now...
[15:19:42] VxJasonxV^Work needs his xterm to be white on black, not black on white
[15:19:49] <VxJasonxV^Work> and I still freaking need focus follows mouse ;_;
[15:19:55] <ALok@lappy> lol
[15:20:08] <ALok@lappy> first i would suggest not using xterm
[15:20:12] <VxJasonxV^Work> <3 xterm
[15:20:20] ALok@lappy suggest gnome terminal
[15:20:24] <ALok@lappy> or something like that
[15:20:24] <remko> <3 xterm as well
[15:20:30] <VxJasonxV^Work> booo gnome
[15:20:35] <ALok@lappy> i used to use an Eterm
[15:20:40] <ALok@lappy> that was not bad
[15:20:57] <ALok@lappy> kde's Terminal is not bad
[15:21:10] <ALok@lappy> 'though i find that nothing beats the real thing...
[15:21:15] <ALok@lappy> and i kinda like putty
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[15:31:27] <Lukas> hi :)
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[15:37:31] <VxJasonxV^Work> hmmmm
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[15:50:32] <VxJasonxV^Work> time to try again
[15:50:32] <VxJasonxV^Work> /part
[15:50:34] <VxJasonxV^Work> mmm
[15:50:36] <VxJasonxV^Work> /exit
[15:50:37] <VxJasonxV^Work> /quit
[15:50:41] <VxJasonxV^Work> is there no /command to leave? :(
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[15:53:56] <albert> /close
[15:53:58] <albert> No.
[15:55:35] <g-lo> /leave
[15:56:01] <Neustradamus> hi all
[15:56:02] <g-lo> ...
[15:59:48] <iono> hi :)
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[16:10:23] <ALok@work> some here is still using exodus
[16:10:25] <ALok@work> :)
[16:10:32] <iono> :-)
[16:12:58] <g-lo> what's the use to come here if not using PSI? :-S
[16:15:16] <iono> Psi is not an acronym
[16:15:31] <ALok@work> lol
[16:17:41] <g-lo> yes, but i'm too lazy to remove my heavy finger from the shft key
[16:18:06] <g-lo> until the ?
[16:18:37] <iono> yes, and I won't stop until it falls off
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[16:37:15] <remko> g-lo: i can think of many reasons to come here while not using Psi
[16:37:31] g-lo is listening
[16:38:37] <remko> g-lo: talking about interoperability, suggestions for improvement that are present in your favourite client, spying, or just because the psi community is fun to talk to
[16:38:49] <g-lo> spying :D
[16:39:37] <g-lo> ok, thanks for the answers btw
[16:39:41] <remko> np
[16:39:54] <remko> i sometimes hang out in other clients channels as well
[16:39:57] <iono> mmmm, I like spying
[16:47:48] <VxJasonxV^Work> I like ion
[16:47:48] <VxJasonxV^Work> ...
[16:47:48] <VxJasonxV^Work> I like iono
[16:48:03] <VxJasonxV^Work> that'll teach me to not use autocomplete
[16:53:14] <ALok@work> iono is creepy
[16:58:04] <iono> wheeeeeee
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[17:08:47] <LRN> I don't like Exodus. Psi looks better. And soon with plug-in support it will be perfect.
/me rubs his hands
[17:14:24] <ALok@work> why is it in the muc, the version is: Psi 0.11-dev-rev5
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[17:14:42] <ALok@work> but in the roster its Psi 0.11-dev (Jun 23 2006)
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[17:16:39] <remko> ALok: one is the literal string you can get by sending an iq:version to a client
[17:16:55] <remko> ALok: the other one is the version that is published through entity capabilities (JEP115)
[17:17:07] <ALok@work> why are they diff?
[17:17:13] <ALok@work> thats what i am asking...
[17:19:12] <remko> for every different version in entity capabilities, a client has to perform a full disco#info to the person using it
[17:19:30] <ALok@work> ...
[17:19:44] <ALok@work> i mean why are the version strings differnt
[17:19:50] <remko> the entity capabilities version just states "This client has features X,Y,Z"
[17:20:11] <ALok@work> ... should the strings be the same?
[17:20:15] <remko> this way, everybody with the same version string can be assumed to have the same features, and you only need to query 1
[17:20:31] <remko> the iq:version query includes details such as date/os, which is not relevant for features
[17:20:44] <remko> read JEP-115 ;-)
[17:20:51] <ALok@work> !jep 115
[17:20:54] <psidekick> ALok@work: JEP-0115: Entity Capabilities:
http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0115.html
[17:21:44] <ALok@work> but why doesn't the roster say 0.11-dev-rev5 ?
[17:22:00] <iono> it does
[17:22:10] <remko> ALok: it does
[17:22:13] <iono> until you do an iq:version lookup
[17:22:21] <iono> by going to the user info dlg
[17:22:22] <ALok@work> iono is being smart again...
[17:22:28] <iono> very smart
[17:22:33] <ALok@work> i can show you a screenshot
[17:22:45] <remko> ALok: no need to, i *know* how psi behaves
[17:22:50] <ALok@work> Using: Psi 0.11-dev (Jun 23 2006) / Windows XP
[17:22:50] <iono> oooh, I like screenshots
[17:22:53] <remko> alok: for your own contact, it knows full information
[17:22:54] <iono> shiiiiiiiney
[17:22:56] <ALok@work> Using: Psi 0.11-dev (Jun 22 2006) / Windows XP
[17:23:11] <ALok@work> Using: Psi 0.11-dev (Jun 22 2006) / Windows XP
[17:23:16] <remko> ALok: for contacts for which you opened the 'vcard' dialog, it also knows this, because opening the vcard dialog does an iq:version update
[17:23:35] <ALok@work> but what happened to rev5?
[17:23:47] <remko> rev5 is just a scheme for numbering the features
[17:23:58] <remko> it is not important from the 'client version' point of view
[17:24:07] <ALok@work> i;m just saying shouldn't it also have it...
[17:24:08] <remko> only from the features point of view
[17:24:10] <remko> no
[17:24:20] <ALok@work> because it kinda become ambious
[17:24:24] <ALok@work> ambigous...
[17:24:46] <ALok@work> if like i build an old source... the build date would not tell me what version it is
[17:24:51] <remko> indeed
[17:24:54] <remko> but why do you care ?
[17:25:01] <remko> we could remove the build date
[17:25:06] <remko> would that make you happy ?
[17:25:07] <ALok@work> just saying it doesn't say anything
[17:25:11] <remko> indeed
[17:25:14] <remko> it doesn't
[17:25:15] <ALok@work> :(
[17:25:32] <iono> it gives an idea
[17:25:36] <iono> just an idea
[17:25:38] <iono> but it gives it
[17:25:44] <ALok@work> yay ideas
[17:25:57] <iono> shiney
[17:26:15] <ALok@work> you gonna tell us?
[17:26:41] <iono> an idea of how old the source is
[17:27:03] <ALok@work> o.0
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[17:28:18] <remko> if it was built on 20/6/2006, you know that it will not have the bugfixes of 21/6/2006 ;-)
[17:28:41] <ALok@work> but it might not have bug fixes rom 20/6/2006 either
[17:28:45] <ALok@work> or 19
[17:28:47] <ALok@work> or 18
[17:28:49] <ALok@work> and so on
[17:28:52] <remko> indeed
[17:29:01] <ALok@work> :)
[17:29:15] <remko> but there is no way of embedding that information
[17:29:16] <ALok@work> i'm just saying there could be a better way...
[17:29:23] <remko> enlighten us
[17:29:44] <remko> there probably are many better ways
[17:29:47] <ALok@work> well the rev would narrow it a little... since you already have that
[17:29:47] <remko> but we don't really care
[17:29:58] <remko> the rev can be the same for months
[17:30:03] <ALok@work> yea...
[17:30:06] <remko> that doesn't help
[17:30:13] <ALok@work> but it would narrow it a little...
[17:30:13] <iono> even multiple versions, possibly
[17:30:21] <remko> no, it wouldn't
[17:30:22] <iono> although it probably won't happen
[17:30:48] <remko> the date is in practice a lot more narrowing than the revision
[17:31:00] <ALok@work> well whatever
[17:31:05] <remko> indeed :)
[17:31:14] <ALok@work> i was just confused by the 2 version strings...
[17:31:21] <ALok@work> i still think the rev should be included
[17:31:38] <remko> the only better way is to have a unique id for the state of the source tree
[17:31:47] <remko> but we don't have that in darcs
[17:31:58] <iono> nor did we in CVS
[17:32:21] <remko> exactly
[17:33:00] <ALok@work> darcs has been quiet lately
[17:33:08] <ALok@work> whats happening?
[17:33:13] <ALok@work> something big?
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[17:34:10] <remko> ALok: nope
[17:34:29] <remko> alok: we implemented all there is to implement for 0.11 ;-)
[17:34:35] <ALok@work> really?
[17:34:37] <remko> now it's down to bugfixing
[17:34:41] <remko> which is a slow process
[17:34:45] <iono> yes, really
[17:34:51] ALok@work is sad
[17:34:59] <ALok@work> :)
[17:35:04] <iono> -_-
[17:35:57] <remko> ALok: feel free to solve some issues of http://psi-im.org/wiki/Qt4_Issues
[17:36:08] <remko> alok: the sooner we have 0.11, the sooner we will have new features
[17:36:26] <iono> mmm features
[17:37:18] <ALok@work> does .11 have to wait for qca?
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[17:39:00] <remko> ALok: define 'wait'
[17:39:12] <ALok@work> to come out of beta?
[17:39:13] <remko> alok: we need QCA to be usable, yes. We don't need a release
[17:39:29] <remko> ALok: once the current QCA2 bugs are fixed, we can release, regardless of the state of QCA
[17:39:57] <ALok@work> is sasl enabled yet?
[17:40:01] <remko> no
[17:40:09] <remko> this is one of the things that still need to be fibed
[17:40:11] <remko> fixed
[17:41:00] <ALok@work> i have this idea...
[17:41:09] <ALok@work> binding priorities to states
[17:41:44] <remko> if you mean binding priority to statuses, yes, we all have had this idea
[17:41:57] <ALok@work> or even simpler for me...
[17:42:07] <remko> it will be handled in the new status system
[17:42:08] <ALok@work> picking a saved preset for the idle messages
[17:42:12] <remko> yes
[17:42:23] <remko> all things that we are planning to handle
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[17:48:44] <c00i90wn> remko: for when is jingle planned?
[17:49:17] <iono> http://forum.psi-im.org/post/27911
[17:50:10] <c00i90wn> iono is too intelligent, scary
[17:50:24] <remko> yeah, he sometimes gets that
[17:50:25] <ALok@work> thats what i said
[17:50:34] <remko> it's sheer luck though
[17:50:38] <ALok@work> i think its on steroids
[17:50:44] <iono> sheer luck....shuck
[17:50:46] <ALok@work> like ritalin or something
[17:50:50] <remko> some days he makes no sense at all
[17:50:54] <c00i90wn> the darcs example was scary too
[17:50:54] <remko> iono, when is XMPP planned ?
[17:51:01] <iono> today
[17:51:10] <remko> iono, when will we have XMPP ?
[17:51:17] <iono> this evening
[17:51:25] <c00i90wn> lol
[17:51:32] <ALok@work> i belive it already has xmpp
[17:51:43] <ALok@work> or else i would not be able to connect......
[17:51:51] <remko> alok: not full XMPP compliance
[17:51:55] <ALok@work> :)
[17:51:57] <remko> alok: SASL is one of those things missing
[17:51:59] <ALok@work> just saying...
[17:52:05] <c00i90wn> error handling too
[17:52:12] <remko> c00i90wn: no, we have error handling
[17:52:27] <ALok@work> how long has irsi beenable to handle full xmpp?
[17:52:37] <remko> irsi ?
[17:52:43] <ALok@work> iris
[17:52:45] <ALok@work> or whatever
[17:52:49] <remko> ah
[17:52:49] <c00i90wn> oh yes? since when? I think I missed that patch description :P
[17:53:01] <remko> c00i90wn: a week or so i think
[17:53:14] <remko> alok: it was able to handle it for a while i think, but it doesn't anymore
[17:53:15] <c00i90wn> ah awesome :)
[17:54:16] <c00i90wn> now the only thing I need is my macbook :P
[17:55:56] <c00i90wn> remko: tabbed mucs are missing :P it's not feature complete yet ;)
[17:56:05] <ALok@work> transparent muc
[17:57:11] <remko> c00i90wn: i never said psi was feature complete, i said 0.11 was
[17:57:37] <c00i90wn> ah I thought tabbed mucs was planned for 0.11 :(
[17:57:47] <iono> I'd considered it
[17:58:11] <c00i90wn> lol, yes why don't you use your pseudo intelligence to code iono?
[17:58:17] <iono> too hot
[17:59:50] <ALok@work> programs writing programs?
[17:59:54] <iono> a shrub
[17:59:57] <ALok@work> its asexual reproduction!
[18:00:09] <ALok@work> skynet comes to mind for some reason
[18:00:14] <c00i90wn> ALok@lappy: computers design new computers already :P
[18:00:27] <iono> french fries!
[18:00:35] <ALok@work> yea... but do they do them automaticly...
[18:00:37] <ALok@work> i think not
[18:00:50] <ALok@work> there is alwaysa human in the loop
[18:01:08] <c00i90wn> ALok@lappy: do you really think that someone is behind the architecture of an Intel or an AMD ?
[18:01:49] <ALok@work> yes
[18:01:54] <ALok@work> i know people who work at intel
[18:01:55] <c00i90wn> ALok@lappy: the only thing humans do is to say what features they need in a new processor, the rest is beign done by the computer, sorry to disapoint you
[18:02:15] <ALok@work> i work with harware every day,
[18:02:21] <ALok@work> sure some of it is automated
[18:02:28] <ALok@work> but there is alwyas a human in the loop
[18:02:41] <ALok@work> as you said... 'humans do is to say what features they need'
[18:02:46] <c00i90wn> then you would know that the plans of a current processor would be kilometers big
[18:03:13] <ALok@work> but the 'computer' does not decided what the next processor will be
[18:03:23] <ALok@work> it does not just start up and pop out a new processor
[18:04:00] <c00i90wn> of course not, the computer only makes the routing and creates them
[18:04:18] <c00i90wn> the computer doesn't know anything about marketing :P
[18:04:26] <ALok@work> exactly what i mean...
[18:04:41] <ALok@work> computer are "design"ing on a certain level...
[18:04:54] <ALok@work> but they are not "design"ing all the way
[18:05:34] <c00i90wn> they do most of the work, the humans only tic options in a formulary
[18:05:35] <c00i90wn> :P
[18:06:15] <c00i90wn> ALok@lappy: do you have a degree?
[18:06:29] <ALok@work> heh not yet, but i know what you are talking about
[18:06:42] <c00i90wn> ALok@work: What are you studying for?
[18:06:47] <ALok@work> i have seen specs of some custom processors
[18:06:52] <ALok@work> EE
[18:07:01] <c00i90wn> ALok@work: same here :D
[18:07:33] <c00i90wn> ALok@work: almost everyone studies CS :P
[18:07:45] <ALok@work> CS is moving to india
[18:07:59] <c00i90wn> ?
[18:08:36] <ALok@work> outsourcing
[18:08:36] <iono> I think you mean SE is moving to india
[18:08:42] <iono> don't confuse CS and SE
[18:08:49] <ALok@work> cs is a mjor
[18:08:51] <ALok@work> se is the job
[18:08:58] <iono> no
[18:09:01] <ALok@work> yes
[18:09:10] <iono> no
[18:09:11] <c00i90wn> remko: the only one that does debugin under win is Kev?
[18:09:18] <iono> really
[18:09:18] <ALok@work> i can;t get an SE degree
[18:09:25] <ALok@work> i acn get a CS degree to get an SE job
[18:09:28] <iono> sure you can
[18:09:32] <ALok@work> i can;t get a CS job
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[18:09:38] <iono> sure you can
[18:09:41] <ALok@work> nope
[18:09:54] <iono> yes
[18:10:03] <ALok@work> iono ...
[18:10:22] <iono> alok
[18:10:30] <ALok@work> how is cs differnt from se?
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[18:11:00] <c00i90wn> lol I think iono is intelligent when a human is behind it :P
[18:11:14] <Kev> software engineering is designing and creating software
[18:11:23] <c00i90wn> Kev: You are the only one that debugs psi under win?
[18:11:31] <Kev> computer science is a science
[18:11:38] <ALok@work> ..
[18:11:45] <ALok@work> i still don;t see the difference
[18:12:00] <Kev> well
[18:12:18] <Kev> Writing a Jabber client is software engineering
[18:12:29] <Kev> working on evolutionary algorithms is computer science
[18:12:52] <ALok@work> ok...
[18:12:58] <ALok@work> um
[18:13:06] <ALok@work> there are no CS jobs
[18:13:11] <c00i90wn> The discussion was if you can or cannot get a SE degree... Alok says that you get a CS degree and then work on SE
[18:13:53] <Kev> c00i90wn: you can do that
[18:14:01] <Kev> or you could get an SE degree and work in CS
[18:14:20] <Kev> as a rough generalisation, engineering is concerned with making things, and science with learning things
[18:14:22] <ALok@work> SE degrees do not exist in 4 year colleges
[18:14:37] <ALok@work> i dunno about ... tech schools
[18:14:39] <c00i90wn> Kev: I know, the discussion was between alok and iono
[18:14:48] <Kev> I think you might be generalising beyond your knowledge here alok
[18:14:54] <Kev> c00i90wn: no, it wasn't
[18:15:02] <ALok@work> Kev: i say india
[18:15:23] <c00i90wn> Kev: of course it was :P read the logs :p
[18:15:29] <iono> cheese
[18:15:44] <Kev> I can't speak for India, but I can speak for the UK where it is possible to get SE degrees
[18:15:50] <Kev> c00i90wn: ah, silly me :)
[18:16:11] <ALok@work> ever hear of a system engineer?
[18:16:42] <ALok@work> i tend to think that is that job i want
[18:16:50] <c00i90wn> Kev: hehe, the only thing I said was if you are the oonly that debugs under win :P
[18:17:08] <ALok@work> kev was iono
[18:17:26] <ALok@work> (which is not really nice)
[18:18:19] <Kev> anyway, in response to the previous CS/SE debate, these are different things
[18:18:32] <Kev> although I believe SE is often wrongly labelled as CS
[18:18:37] <ALok@work> they are differnt...
[18:18:51] <ALok@work> but the problem is there are not enough CS people...
[18:18:56] <ALok@work> so they clumpled together
[18:18:58] <Kev> but there are degrees and jobs in both
[18:19:06] <c00i90wn> lol kev is completly ignoring me :P nvm I don't care right now, I should be studying Discrete Maths right now
[18:19:16] <Kev> c00i90wn: I don't do debugging on windows thanks
[18:19:22] <ALok@work> there are so few CS jobs...
[18:19:23] <Kev> c00i90wn: *shudder*
[18:19:31] <c00i90wn> Kev: who does?
[18:19:41] <Kev> ALok@work: that's probably true, I hope to get one, however
[18:19:45] <Kev> c00i90wn: no-one? :)
[18:19:46] <ALok@work> lol
[18:20:10] <c00i90wn> Kev: Ah that's not nice :|
[18:20:15] <ALok@work> dump it on remko or something
[18:20:25] <c00i90wn> That's why I need to get a macbook!!
[18:20:33] <ALok@work> bleh macs
[18:20:36] <Kev> c00i90wn: if you have knowledge of how to debug mingw builds on windows, I'll look into it
[18:21:06] <Kev> I also have a new 414 build if someone wants to try it
[18:21:37] <c00i90wn> Kev: Sadly I don't, but then you should not release 0.11 for windows and say that it has been discontinued the windows support
[18:21:39] <ALok@work> is 4.1.4 any good?
[18:24:04] <iono> doesn't /seem/ to have the 100% bug
[18:24:13] <ALok@work> o?
[18:24:24] <ALok@work> tonight i am gonna compile 4.1.4 for myself
[18:24:57] <remko> c00i90wn: mblsha can also do win debugging
[18:25:27] <c00i90wn> remko: also? kev said he doesn't do :(
[18:25:40] <remko> c00i90wn: exactly, so that leaves mblsha
[18:25:50] <remko> c00i90wn: although he has to go through a lot of trouble to do so
[18:26:28] <c00i90wn> :S too bad, well I guess this is part of your big plan to convert people to mac or linux :P
[18:26:40] <ALok@work> :(
[18:26:47] <ALok@work> you know what i find funny
[18:26:47] iono gets out a board game for alok@work
[18:27:00] <ALok@work> if you use ubuntu
[18:27:06] <c00i90wn> but the problem is that I need windows programs as ALok may know
[18:27:07] <ALok@work> for dual boot with win
[18:27:23] <ALok@work> if you do lots of updates to ubutnu
[18:27:26] <ALok@work> and get new kernels from time to time...
[18:27:32] <remko> c00i90wn: not really, Windows development is just a pain and very uncomfortable
[18:27:36] <ALok@work> grub pushes windows very far down the list
[18:27:43] ALok@work uses windows!
[18:28:47] <c00i90wn> well so do I, I need it for protel :P
[18:29:24] <c00i90wn> well and foobar2000 but I guess amarok or something similar can do the work for foobar2000
[18:29:36] <ALok@work> protel?
[18:29:57] <c00i90wn> ALok@work: for PCB design
[18:30:16] <ALok@work> my friend uses vmware for that type of stuff
[18:30:18] <ALok@work> hehe
[18:30:45] <c00i90wn> well then I need 1 gb of ram :P
[18:30:53] <ALok@work> heh
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[18:31:27] <c00i90wn> ALok@work: http://www.altium.com/
[18:31:47] <ALok@work> what is it?
[18:32:11] <ALok@work> o..
[18:32:13] <c00i90wn> ALok@work: protel homepage
[18:32:38] <ALok@work> does jabber have a "ping" like irc ctcp ping?
[18:33:06] <remko> no
[18:33:12] <remko> at least not yet
[18:33:14] <ALok@work> it would be nice...
[18:33:17] <remko> true
[18:33:27] <ALok@work> since jabber is so laggy when jumpping lots of servers
[18:34:29] <remko> only with bad servers
[18:34:31] <albert> How many servers can it be?
[18:34:35] <remko> and that too
[18:34:36] <ALok@work> true...
[18:34:42] <ALok@work> jabber.ru is far away
[18:34:59] <remko> alok: i talk to the person below me with a connection that goes from europe to dallas back to europe
[18:35:09] <remko> and i don't have any lag
[18:35:11] <ALok@work> my message has to go to my server... then to jabber.ru then to everyone back on this side of the world
[18:35:12] <albert> From the xmpp view it would be just one server away.
[18:35:14] <c00i90wn> it's not far away from my server and I get laggy mucs :P
[18:35:16] <remko> the lag is mostly due to bad connections somewhere
[18:35:22] <remko> c00i90wn: all the time ?
[18:35:33] <remko> c00i90wn: MUC seems to be doing just fine atm
[18:35:35] <ALok@work> for the message to get to russian then back to me sometimes takes a whole second
[18:35:39] <c00i90wn> remko: at least on first time I talk
[18:35:41] <remko> albert: well, the MUC component can be far away theoretically ;)
[18:35:51] <ALok@work> like the echo back response of my message has a human noticable lag
[18:36:04] <remko> c00i90wn: ah yes, but that is because your network connection is a bit clogged. You need to send some traffic through it to remove the clogging
[18:36:09] <remko> c00i90wn: like old pipes
[18:36:37] <c00i90wn> remko: how come?
[18:36:37] <ALok@work> old pipes ? 56k ?
[18:36:48] <remko> c00i90wn: never mind, i was joking ;)
[18:37:01] <c00i90wn> remko: ah :P
[18:38:43] <c00i90wn> remko: I blame that lag to s2s connections that need to be made when I first talk :P
[18:39:35] c00i90wn going to ping jabber.ru from jabber server
[18:40:10] <c00i90wn> min/avg/max = 122.6/127.4/132.0 ms
[18:40:15] <c00i90wn> not so bad :P
[18:40:34] <ALok@work> but there needs to be authentication between servers right?
[18:40:43] <remko> c00i90wn: pinging my own server is very slow
[18:40:46] <ALok@work> i thnk that is what the problem is...
[18:40:49] <remko> c00i90wn: talking through it is lightning fast
[18:41:33] <c00i90wn> remko: well I have 100 ms to my jabber server and 130 ms from my jabber server to jabber.ru
[18:42:19] <c00i90wn> guess it's ok for a packet to travel from argentina to germany and then to russia and back :P
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[18:49:07] <c00i90wn> lol@new protel sys requirements! needs dual monitors
[18:49:16] <c00i90wn> ALok@work: http://www.altium.com/Products/AltiumDesigner/Systemrequirements/
[18:49:47] <ALok@work> its not a requirement...
[18:49:54] <ALok@work> its "stronly suggested"
[18:50:10] <c00i90wn> lol as in cannot work without it?
[18:50:11] <ALok@work> but that is still funny
[18:50:36] <ALok@work> c00i90wn: it can work without a second moniter
[18:50:38] <c00i90wn> and take a look at the recommended processor!
[18:50:55] <c00i90wn> ALok@work: yeah but I say you can't work without it :P
[18:51:33] <ALok@work> its funny the machines my company gives us
[18:52:09] <ALok@work> it like 3 times more powerful than my computer at home...
[18:52:13] <ALok@work> ok maybe only 2
[18:53:45] <c00i90wn> example
[18:54:17] <ALok@work> 3.4Ghz P4 1gb of ram 150gb hdd
[18:54:22] <ALok@work> ok... its not amazing
[18:54:29] <ALok@work> but i mean i don't really do anything here...
[18:54:45] <ALok@work> where as at home i am running very high spu usage all the time...
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[18:54:51] <c00i90wn> where do I apply for the job?
[18:54:55] <ALok@work> like compiling and video encoding
[18:55:08] <ALok@work> but at work i like do nothing...
[18:55:27] <ALok@work> lol
[18:55:48] <ALok@work> you don't apply... they come and abduct you for the job
[18:55:52] <ALok@work> ... jk
[18:56:01] <c00i90wn> lol
[18:56:14] <c00i90wn> what do I have to do to get abducted?
[18:56:23] <ALok@work> be 1337
[18:57:01] <c00i90wn> don't you see my nickname ?
[18:57:07] <c00i90wn> *joking*
[19:04:09] <c00i90wn> Science is a lot like sex.
Sometimes something useful comes of it,
but that's not the reason we're doing it.
--Richard Feynman--
[19:04:47] <ALok@work> unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ; sleep
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[19:33:11] <iono> cheese
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[19:54:00] <albert> iono: chupaqueso?
[19:54:05] <iono> Yes.
[19:55:29] <albert> iono: Parmesan, Cheddar and Monterey Jack cheese?
[19:55:34] <iono> Yes, but only at the weekend.
[19:57:18] <albert> iono: with extra bacon?
[19:57:23] <iono> Let me consult a fortune cookie.
[19:57:37] <albert> iono: what did the fortune cookie say?
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[19:59:10] <albert> Easily amused today.
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[20:34:24] <ALok@work> iono is crazy
[20:37:03] <c00i90wn> iono == kev ? I think so
[20:37:11] <ALok@work> well...
[20:37:13] <ALok@work> depends
[20:37:18] <ALok@work> iono is Kev's bot
[20:37:23] <ALok@work> and sometimes he takes over
[20:38:00] <c00i90wn> yeah, I know he's not kev all the time
[20:38:14] <c00i90wn> but when he's on steroids as you say, it's definetly kev
[20:39:14] <ALok@work> ofcourse
[20:39:25] <ALok@work> i still like treating him like a bot
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[20:50:47] <deucalion> what- or whoever iono is, he still rocks ;)
[20:51:13] <muehlbucks> hehe
[20:51:17] <muehlbucks> he's an inspirational figure
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[20:53:26] <deucalion> truly is :P
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[20:57:24] <ALok@work> iono~~
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[21:35:52] <iono> *yawn*
[21:36:00] <ALok@work> *yawn*
[21:36:18] <ALok@work> that message took 4 seconds to echo back to me
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[21:41:22] <Maxime> hi
[21:41:50] <Maxime> is there any psi's devel here ?
[21:41:59] <ALok@work> no, why?
[21:42:12] <Maxime> I've just found a bug
[21:42:16] <ALok@work> yea?
[21:42:17] <ALok@work> what?
[21:42:36] <Maxime> uninitialised value ^
[21:42:42] <ALok@work> o?
[21:43:01] <ALok@work> like what?
[21:43:20] <Maxime> Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value (contactview.cpp:2774)
[21:43:51] <ALok@work> what version are we talkinga bout?
[21:44:00] <Maxime> last of course
[21:44:08] <ALok@work> .10 or .11?
[21:44:13] <Maxime> darcs
[21:44:22] <ALok@work> have fun
[21:44:38] <ALok@work> i have no idea what htat is about :)
[21:45:01] <Maxime> I've sent on the ml
[21:45:17] <ALok@work> when does it happen?
[21:45:38] <Maxime> It's probably noting ^
[21:45:53] <Maxime> psi doesn't crash
[21:45:58] <ALok@work> o..
[21:46:07] <ALok@work> lol i don't run debug builds so i don't know :)
[21:47:14] <Maxime> I don't stay here any more, good bye :)
[21:47:28] <Maxime> (it's very difficul speacking english for me... :P)
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[21:47:49] <ALok@work> :(
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[22:05:59] <iono> brb, loo
[22:15:29] <ALok@work> iono goes the the bathroom...
[22:15:33] <ALok@work> <.<
[22:15:35] <ALok@work> >.>
[22:22:36] <muehlbucks> iono needs a vcard
[22:24:03] <LRN> Onyone knows, what to do with getpwnam() on Win32?
[22:25:02] <LRN> Onyone=Anyone
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[22:35:30] <ALok@work> ?
[22:35:41] <ALok@work> get pwnage ?
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[22:54:01] <LRN> forget it...
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[23:33:45] <remko> !jep 138
[23:33:49] <psidekick> remko: JEP-0138: Stream Compression:
http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0138.html
[23:34:19] <ALok@work> mmm
[23:35:15] <ALok@work> !jep 148
[23:35:16] <psidekick> ALok@work: JEP-0148: Instant Messaging Intelligence Quotient (IM IQ):
http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0148.html
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