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Friday, 2 June 2006< ^ >

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[01:02:44] <remko> http://el-tramo.be/blog/psi-rc
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[01:04:02] <albert> You're just soo late. ;-)
[01:04:16] <マチェック> remko: do I need to re-download? or nothing changed?
[01:17:15] <Kev> jason: was it you that mailed me?
[01:17:43] <Kev> A Jason did, but I've no idea if you are he
[01:30:12] <iono> Darcs commit 1= 01 Jun 21:25 - header goodness (Kevin Smith) - Kevin Smith - header goodness
[01:31:51] <Kev> for anyone using 413, that was a fix for the roster headings being transparent
[01:39:11] <albert> Yay!
[01:50:36] <albert> The 100% cpu issue isn't found yet?
[01:50:43] <remko> i don't have it
[01:50:49] <remko> and i'm using today's snapshot of Qt
[01:50:57] <remko> so i suspect that Trolltech fixed it by now
[01:51:27] <Kev> so 414 might actually be usable :)
[01:51:59] <albert> So it seems like a Qt error then?
[01:52:30] <Kev> of course, have you ever known Psi devs to make mistakes? :)
[01:52:49] <albert> *coughs*
[01:54:02] <albert> What is Psi doing after it is started but before any account connects?
[01:54:47] <remko> loading your contact list i would say
[01:54:48] <remko> why ?
[01:55:05] <remko> Kev: too late at night to come up with useful commit messages ? :)
[01:55:24] <Kev> I forgot about being sensible :(
[01:55:35] <Kev> too much thesis work with silly commit messages
[01:56:49] <remko> fair enough.
[01:56:51] <remko> i'm off
[01:56:54] <Kev> nn
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[04:18:46] <VxJasonxV> Kev, I have done no such thing
[04:18:51] <VxJasonxV> (I have not mailed you)
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[04:35:09] <VxJasonxV> Kev: was their a last name (or initial) to that 'Jason' perhaps?
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[06:10:46] <skeeziks> Is there some XML that I can send to a transport to set it's away status?
[06:15:48] <マチェック> <presence to="transport"><show>away</show><status>something</status></presence>
[06:19:09] <skeeziks> And this should set the transport's presence? It just seems to respond with its current presence...
[06:20:03] <マチェック> hmm... you want to appear "away" on transported network (MSN or sth)?
[06:20:48] <skeeziks> Well, they're currently all set to away because of another one of my resources is set to away, but I'd like to kick them back to online from my current resource
[06:20:59] <skeeziks> Does that make sense?
[06:21:27] <マチェック> some transports somehow "bind" to your first resource
[06:23:06] <skeeziks> Hmm
[06:23:08] <skeeziks> That's annoying
[06:23:25] <skeeziks> I'm using the Python transports and they all seem to have done that
[06:23:47] <マチェック> and your new resource has higher priority?
[06:24:37] <skeeziks> No, I've got them all set to the same priority so that new conversations will be sent to all of themn
[06:24:51] <VxJasonxV> I don't think it works that way
[06:24:56] <VxJasonxV> I might be wrong, however...
[06:25:04] <skeeziks> It's been working that way with ejabberd...
[06:25:06] <skeeziks> 1.1.1
[06:25:14] <マチェック> same priority = it's undetermined where the message will be delivered
[06:25:29] <マチェック> but one is for sure: it will not be duplicated and sent to all of them
[06:26:00] <skeeziks> Well that's happening for me when it's not part of a coversation - once the conversation starts it only goes to the terminal that I'm on
[06:26:06] <マチェック> I guess that if you set higher priority, the status would change
[06:26:21] <skeeziks> Can I do that without logging out and the back on?
[06:26:29] <skeeziks> The priority I mean
[06:26:55] <マチェック> you could send <presence><priority>123</priority></presence>
[06:27:04] <マチェック> (if I remember well)
[06:27:08] <skeeziks> OK. let me try that
[06:27:08] <VxJasonxV> マチェック just answered my question without me asking it
[06:27:23] <マチェック> :)
[06:27:53] <VxJasonxV> do the facilities exist in the gui to change priority?
[06:27:58] <skeeziks> OK, that worked to get teh transports online
[06:28:00] <VxJasonxV> oh, and... what are the valid priority values anyways?
[06:28:07] <VxJasonxV> -1 to... ?
[06:28:15] <skeeziks> VxJasonxV: I believe it's anything 0 and above
[06:28:16] <skeeziks> -1?
[06:28:19] <マチェック> -128..+127
[06:28:24] <VxJasonxV> I saw -1 recently, trying to remember what for
[06:28:31] <VxJasonxV> oh, that's right. it was apart of Remco's screencasrt
[06:28:33] <skeeziks> Can I change my other resources' priorities?
[06:28:34] <VxJasonxV> screencast*
[06:28:41] <VxJasonxV> skeeziks: only in Psi 0.11 :)
[06:28:56] <skeeziks> What about through XMPP, without the remote control?
[06:29:04] <iono> bhar
[06:29:11] <VxJasonxV> no idea
[06:29:19] <VxJasonxV> I'm sure there's a way, I just don't know the XML for it
[06:29:37] <VxJasonxV> and since Remco didn't have an open XML Console when he made the screencast...
[06:29:38] <VxJasonxV> yeah
[06:29:42] <マチェック> if your priority < 0 and I send a message to you (without saying which resource I want to send to), the server will never route the message to resource with priority < 0
[06:29:59] <skeeziks> Oh I see
[06:30:23] <VxJasonxV> do priorities really go to -128 then? or did I miss the joke? :P
[06:30:34] <VxJasonxV> If that's the case, I fail to see the point of anything past -1
[06:30:39] <マチェック> I think XMPP says that you may send <presence from="you/otherresource">, but I'm not sure if it really works
[06:31:04] <VxJasonxV> in theory, but perhaps not practice sort of thing? :)
[06:31:21] <マチェック> VxJasonxV: it's advised to use -1 for this "don't deliver here" feature, since other values may get special meaning in the future
[06:32:02] <VxJasonxV> weird
[06:32:07] <VxJasonxV> *shrugs* whaaaaatever
[06:32:16] <VxJasonxV> but 127 is most certainly the highest possible value?
[06:32:21] <マチェック> simply: it's standard one signed byte range
[06:32:27] <マチェック> yes
[06:32:45] <マチェック> this gives you 256 (round number) of possible values
[06:32:51] <VxJasonxV> having any other 'special features' in the rest of the signed zone is dumb...
[06:32:57] <VxJasonxV> -1 for just shy off offline
[06:33:07] <VxJasonxV> and 127 is more than enough for ...
[06:33:08] <VxJasonxV> ...
[06:33:09] <VxJasonxV> anything!
[06:33:35] <マチェック> VxJasonxV: if I send you a message with specified resource, it will be delivered even if priority < 0
[06:33:50] <VxJasonxV> This I understand
[06:33:54] <VxJasonxV> directed presence, not a bad idea
[06:34:14] <マチェック> I don't mean directed presence
[06:34:21] <マチェック> let's say... directed message :)
[06:34:34] <skeeziks> Yeah, you're right about <presence from... - it just sets it for the current resource
[06:34:53] <VxJasonxV> erm
[06:34:58] <VxJasonxV> directed <insert action here>
[06:34:58] <VxJasonxV> :P
[06:34:58] <skeeziks> And where can I download 0.11?
[06:35:34] <skeeziks> I'm gonna go read the standards...
[06:36:37] <VxJasonxV> psi-im.org
[06:36:39] <VxJasonxV> beta discussion forum
[06:37:21] <skeeziks> Ah, cool
[06:37:23] <skeeziks> thanks
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[07:29:05] <iono> I just have a thing about toes.
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[07:30:49] <skeeziks> Is 'set status' the only thing I can do with the remote control so far?
[07:30:53] <iono> If only I hadn't used up all my lifelines
[07:30:57] <iono> no thanks, don't know where it's been
[07:31:04] <skeeziks> Would it be difficult to add a 'set priority' as well?
[07:40:49] <skeeziks> It looks like the Set Status form should have a priority field anyway, according to JEP-0146
[07:58:46] <skeeziks> OK, I'm out
[07:58:50] <skeeziks> I'll come check with you guys tomorow
[07:59:06] <skeeziks> Though the 'leave groupchat' remote control thingy would be cool as well :)
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[11:39:48] <Restle> Hi
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[11:42:07] <Restle> Spike411? are U here? :)
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[12:40:07] <iono> Pie pie pie pie.
[12:40:28] <VxJasonxV^Work> Ize Ize Pie
[12:42:07] <Restle> cooks?
[12:47:50] Spike411 is here... /me is not Remko. ;)
[12:49:19] <Restle> I see :)
[12:49:27] <Restle> Du u have gcc4 ? :)
[12:49:35] <Spike411> 4.1
[12:49:40] <Restle> O..!
[12:49:48] <Restle> And gentoo :) ?
[12:49:50] <Spike411> Yes.
[12:49:57] <Spike411> Want patches? :p
[12:50:05] <Restle> Does any troubles with gcc4.1?
[12:50:19] <Spike411> Yes, it was simple to fix.
[12:50:29] <Spike411> Even *I* manged it. :p
[12:50:48] <Spike411> http://disk.jabbim.cz/spike411@jabber.cz/psi-libjingle-gcc41-spike411-patches.tar.bz2
[12:50:52] <Spike411> Try this.
[12:51:07] <Spike411> If you have problems with Psi/Jingle, that is. ;)
[12:51:34] <Restle> gcc4.1 now in ~x86 :)
[12:51:57] <Spike411> Well, I have unmasked it months ago. ;)
[12:52:46] <Restle> Now all works?
[12:53:21] <Spike411> It seems so.
[12:53:45] <Restle> Ok :)
[12:54:40] <Spike411> OT: The Daily WTF rulez! :D http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/75512.aspx
[12:54:50] <VxJasonxV^Work> The Daily WTF does indeed rule
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[13:03:48] <Spike411> Nooo! We've lost Kev!
[13:09:41] <Restle> Hmmmm
http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Testing_GCC_4.1
[13:13:23] <VxJasonxV^Work> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml
[13:13:27] VxJasonxV^Work needs to follow the above link...
[13:13:38] Spike411 had no problem. ;)
[13:18:17] <VxJasonxV^Work> I'm sure I wont' either
[13:18:21] <VxJasonxV^Work> I just need the 4 days to commit to it
[13:43:38] <VxJasonxV^Work> anyone know of a visual (GUI) RAR (or other archiving utility) on linux that is shift_jis / utf8 / other 'exotic' encodings capable?
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[13:55:42] <Spike411> VxJasonxV^Work: Konqueror, Krusader...? ;)
[13:55:58] <VxJasonxV^Work> konquerer does archives?
[13:56:00] <VxJasonxV^Work> never heard of krusader
[13:56:23] <VxJasonxV^Work> Description: An advanced twin-panel (commander-style) file-manager for KDE with many extras.
[13:56:24] <VxJasonxV^Work> hmmmmm
[13:57:00] <Spike411> I've just tried Krusader and it doesn't handle rar out of the box, I'll try options... ;)
[13:57:53] <Spike411> Maybe because "comix" tries to open the archives. Grr. :)
[13:58:06] <Kev> you didn't lose kev, kev walked into work
[13:58:46] <Spike411> k :)
[13:59:12] <Kev> it's a 40 minute walk and it's very hot out there atm
[13:59:23] <VxJasonxV^Work> 111 degrees this weekend ;_;
[13:59:31] <VxJasonxV^Work> this weekend is going to hella be a lazy one
[14:01:45] <Kev> whereas I pick what is probably the hottest day of the year so far to walk the three miles to work for a change
[14:02:26] <Spike411> It's been quite cold here in the Czech republic lately. :(
[14:03:13] <Spike411> But it's getting better. Today is nice weather at least.
[14:06:39] <VxJasonxV^Work> I'd like to have a job that close...
[14:06:46] <VxJasonxV^Work> I've never had less than a ~20 minute drive to work
[14:06:58] <VxJasonxV^Work> Where do you live anyways Kev?
[14:08:33] <Kev> Devon
[14:08:34] <Kev> UK
[14:09:03] <Kev> not the world's hottest country
[14:09:09] <Kev> but it has its days
[14:09:36] <Kev> I used to be moderately fit, but a series of injuries took me out of exercise for most of a year
[14:09:58] <Kev> so now I have to do silly things to get fit again
[14:13:16] <VxJasonxV^Work> I'm more than likely beyond the 'silly' level :/
[14:13:25] <VxJasonxV^Work> DDR was and still is my fitness.
[14:13:41] <VxJasonxV^Work> much less common than it used to be, however
[14:14:42] <Kev> heh, ddr is quite fun
[14:15:02] <Kev> but I don't have the patience to do it much for fitness
[14:18:27] <Kev> I used to use running, cycling and training mostly
[14:18:54] <Kev> but it's going to be some months before I get back to par
[14:51:10] <iono> Computer, deactivate iguana.
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[15:06:49] <samy> hi
[15:11:29] <samy> i have a question..can i put the avatar image of my contacts in the chat window such as the screenshot in planet psi home page whit psi 0.11 beta2?
[15:18:18] <Kev> not with beta2
[15:18:26] <Kev> it's been added since then
[15:21:38] <samy> thanks a thousand kev!! I wait for with anxiety the next release ;-) ...good work :-P
[15:23:53] <VxJasonxV^Work> argh, my shoes...
[15:24:09] <Kev> sounds like something iono would say, no?
[15:24:14] <VxJasonxV^Work> yeah, probably
[15:24:16] <VxJasonxV^Work> make him say it
[15:24:23] <VxJasonxV^Work> iono, say: "argh, my shoes..."
[15:24:27] <iono> argh, my shoes...
[15:25:07] <VxJasonxV^Work> thanks iono
[15:25:13] <iono> only for you
[15:25:26] <VxJasonxV^Work> <3
[15:25:38] <VxJasonxV^Work> man, I need to clean up my RSS feeds...
[15:26:27] <VxJasonxV^Work> I can remove kismith (sorry!) since it's on Planet Psi...
[15:26:42] <Kev> it's not quite (pp is a subset)
[15:26:50] <Kev> but it should cover all that's interesting to you :)
[15:27:17] <VxJasonxV^Work> I'm interested in more than just Psi things :(
[15:27:41] <VxJasonxV^Work> by the way... I hate you :P. You know why? You just gave me a reason to ADD a feed (or three) instead of removing one -_-
[15:27:49] <Kev> heh
[15:27:56] <iono> =]
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[16:55:03] <Kev> yesterday I as your hero!
[16:55:07] <Kev> *was
[16:56:13] <VxJasonxV^Work> you still are
[16:56:30] <Kev> you just hate me too? :)
[17:00:06] <VxJasonxV^Work> sure
[17:00:53] <Kev> ok :)
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[17:37:09] <iono> is this going to be on the test?
[17:49:02] <VxJasonxV^Work> question #6 as a matter of fact
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[18:01:05] <iono> *spangle*
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[19:38:30] <skeeziks> How hard would it be to add a priority field to the 'Set Status' remote control form?
[19:39:46] <albert> Isn't there one?
[19:41:46] <VxJasonxV^Work> nope
[19:41:50] <VxJasonxV^Work> not in .10 or less, at least
[19:41:57] <VxJasonxV^Work> If you use .11... well you're just special aren't you? :P
[19:42:24] <albert> Is there even a remote control option in 0.10?
[19:42:38] <skeeziks> 0.11 doesn't have it either - just Status and Message
[19:42:41] <skeeziks> No priority
[19:42:59] <skeeziks> It even appears to be in the JEP description of "Set Status"
[19:43:14] <albert> I can almost swear I saw it in remcos post yesterday.
[19:43:28] <skeeziks> Sorry, I mean 0.11 beta2 doesn't have the priority option
[19:43:33] <skeeziks> Oh, maybe they added it since?
[19:43:50] <skeeziks> I haven't found all the places to check for new features yet :)
[19:45:58] <albert> I run 0.10 which apparently comes from FC5 and there is no remote control options at all.
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[19:46:08] <VxJasonxV^Work> remote commands are introduced in .11
[19:46:51] <albert> And as far as I know, there is a way to set priority. Remco sets priority to -1 on his home resource in the demonstration.
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[20:00:11] <skeeziks> VxJasonxV^Work: Yeah, I'm running 0.11, but the form that comes up doesn't have a priority field - but maybe it was added after 0.11beta2 that I'm running.
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[20:12:51] <VxJasonxV^Work> perhaps
[20:13:38] <skeeziks> Is this demonstration available somewhere?
[20:14:37] <Kev> remko's?
[20:14:42] <Kev> planet.psi-im.org
[20:14:46] <skeeziks> Ah, thanks
[20:15:14] <Kev> that feeds the Psi devs and the Iris dev's blogs, when they post about Psi-things
[20:15:42] <skeeziks> Kev, do you know the answer to my above question? Has a priority field been added to the 'Set Status' remote control command since 0.11beta2?
[20:16:19] <skeeziks> ... watching the screencast now ...
[20:17:38] <skeeziks> It's there in the demo
[20:17:41] <Kev> I'm running beta2 here atm so I'm not in a position to check
[20:17:43] <skeeziks> It must be a new version
[20:17:46] <Kev> but the code exists
[20:17:54] <skeeziks> Cool, that makes me happy :)
[20:17:57] <skeeziks> Thanks guys
[20:18:07] <legoscia> speaking of priority... assuming that the server does like ejabberd, delivering messages to bare JIDs to _all_ resources sharing the highest priority, are priorities other than 0 and -1 necessary? it seems to me that either you want to receive messages, or you don't...
[20:32:53] <Kev> oh, does ejd do that too now?
[20:33:07] <Kev> I think is sensible
[20:33:19] <Kev> but yes, I think you still want non-boolean priority
[20:33:37] <Kev> well
[20:34:13] <Kev> it is possible to model it all with boolean priority, of course, as whether you send a stanza or not is inherently boolean
[20:34:47] <Kev> I think non-boolean priority makes life easier for the clients though
[20:35:19] <Kev> otherwise you need 'old' clients to revise their priority when 'new' clients sign in
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[20:35:48] <Kev> and you need some out-of band way of determining if it's the new or old one that changes prio.
[20:36:39] <Kev> unless you mean 'does it matter if you receive duplicats?' in which case, in the current state of things, I think it does, it'd get pretty annoying having to wade through duplicates when you got home from work to find any unique messages wouldn't it?
[20:40:09] <alex_> hello - I'm trying to patch the psi notifier popups - how do I change their timeouts?
[20:40:24] <alex_> they vanish to fast for me
[20:40:33] <Kev> the popups were called PassivePopups last time I looked
[20:40:40] <Kev> so you could check that's the class name
[20:40:40] <legoscia> that's true. generally such a client would switch to auto-away and set negative priority... which could be annoying, if you are at location A with an auto-away client, with a client running at location B which erroneously has non-negative priority... or something like that. need to think more about it...
[20:40:57] <Kev> then grep across the source for where it's used
[20:40:59] <alex_> ah I thought these were the growlnotification things
[20:41:35] <Kev> legoscia: indeed, we've thought about doing clever things clientside with presence on login, and it turns out to be pretty hard to always do the right thing
[20:42:49] <alex_> hm, ok, passivepopup is the comment for the growlnotification popups :)
[20:43:10] <Kev> sorry, I couldn't parse that
[20:43:16] <alex_> so I have to set their timeout but I didn't find where yet
[20:44:03] <Kev> is it the Psi popups or growl you want to change?
[20:44:26] <alex_> I though/think psi uses growl to show these small message popups
[20:44:50] <skeeziks> I like the option to have it change the priority to 0 or -1 when set to auto-away - that, combined with the remote control of status and priority, would give us the ability to manage any delivery situation I think
[20:45:30] <Kev> alex_: growl is (optionally) used on mac
[20:45:42] <alex_> ah ok..
[20:45:45] <Kev> there is no growl for other platforms, and there the psi popups are used
[20:46:01] <Kev> they're called PsiPopups now
[20:47:51] <alex_> ah I found it... ppHideTime
[20:47:56] <Kev> :)
[20:49:08] <alex_> but I have another problem with them - when I click on them the chat window does not always get the focus... I did not yet find out when it does and when not
[20:49:53] <alex_> it has nothing to do if they are focused already or if I am on another virtual desktop or anything... it just does not work always
[20:50:16] <Kev> curious
[20:52:54] <VxJasonxV^Work> Snarl on Windows .o/
[20:52:54] <VxJasonxV^Work> too bad like, nothing uses it
[20:53:05] <Kev> is it as good as growl?
[20:53:17] <VxJasonxV^Work> don't have any applications to try it with
[20:53:23] <VxJasonxV^Work> it looks worse. but that's because it's not a mac XD
[20:54:02] <VxJasonxV^Work> http://k23productions.com/haiku/snarl.html
[20:54:25] <alex_> so this is not a known thing I gues...
[20:54:49] <VxJasonxV^Work> not widely, no
[20:54:59] <VxJasonxV^Work> unless you weren't talking about Snarl...
[20:55:09] <alex_> :)
[20:55:17] <VxJasonxV^Work> you're nick is colored like Kev's is, and I'm much more reactant to color than name
[20:55:40] <alex_> your's has the same als Kev here ;p
[20:55:45] <VxJasonxV^Work> how ironic
[20:55:45] <alex_> as
[20:55:49] <Kev> I think it should be trivial (assuming snarl has a nice interface) to make a plugin, if you can persuade someone to write a nice plugin interface ;)
[20:55:58] <VxJasonxV^Work> though, the length of the nick should be a dead giveaway
[20:56:01] <Kev> it does look reasonably nice
[20:56:17] <VxJasonxV^Work> It's ok
[20:56:25] <VxJasonxV^Work> Growl is exactly x10987509872109872 times better, however
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[20:56:30] <VxJasonxV^Work> customizable looks, etc. etc. etc.
[20:56:35] <VxJasonxV^Work> alex_long_nick: touché :D
[20:56:50] <alex_long_nick> :)
[20:56:58] <VxJasonxV^Work> your color also changed
[20:57:02] <iono> :)
[20:57:05] <iono> Assume the position@^Â£$@Â£@@%~#
[20:57:09] <VxJasonxV^Work> :O
[21:03:37] <alex_long_nick> setting ppHideTime to a higher value didn't change anything... hm, let's see what I forgot
[21:04:26] <alex_long_nick> ah ok I see... k
[21:04:43] <alex_long_nick> now it's only the focus problem I don't understand
[21:05:06] <VxJasonxV^Work> on my way home
[21:05:06] <VxJasonxV^Work> wheee
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[21:05:15] <Kev> bibi
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[21:09:15] <hawke> Bleah, how does Psi crash my window manager on startup? :-/
[21:09:36] <Kev> haha
[21:09:41] <Kev> I'd say your window manager has a bug
[21:09:55] <hawke> Well, I'm sure it does.
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[21:11:04] <alex_long_nick> oh there is a FIXME besides the popupclicked method... should I be concearned? :)
[21:11:25] <Kev> depends what it says, I guess
[21:11:42] <Kev> heh, no
[21:11:45] <alex_long_nick> about how to find what user is meant by the popup
[21:11:52] <Kev> that one doesn't seem too bad
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[21:13:57] <alex_long_nick> so the account->actionDefault() seems not to raise the window
[21:14:25] <alex_long_nick> at least most of the times here
[21:14:55] <alex_long_nick> can I explicitly raise it from here?
[21:16:17] <Kev> I think that, if you have the appropriate options set, it should raise it
[21:16:40] <alex_long_nick> I can set raise the mainwindow... but I want to raise the chat tab
[21:16:41] <Kev> oh, hmm
[21:17:17] <Kev> it won't raise the window, but it should bring the chat tab to the front with the current implementation, I think
[21:18:32] <alex_long_nick> no that only raises the mainwindo
[21:18:39] <alex_long_nick> window
[21:19:05] <alex_long_nick> the rooster comes up but the chat doesn't get focus
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[21:29:32] <alex_long_nick> hm.. now I've inserted an explicit bringToFront without success
[21:29:51] <Kev> there's two things
[21:30:06] <Kev> the tabset selecting the right tab, and the tabset getting focus
[21:30:13] <Kev> are either happening?
[21:30:38] <alex_long_nick> tab select is ok
[21:30:41] <alex_long_nick> just the focus
[21:30:57] <Kev> didn't I say that a moment ago? :)
[21:31:21] <Kev> bringing tabsets to the front doesn't work currently, but the right tab should be brought to the front of the tabpile :)
[21:31:24] <alex_long_nick> ah that you meant... I see ;)
[21:33:06] <alex_long_nick> but when it's working for the rooster why not for the child windows?
[21:34:10] <Kev> it's my fault
[21:34:25] <Kev> let me log a bug in flyspray, hang on
[21:36:21] <Kev> http://flyspray.psi-im.org/task/561
[21:37:23] <alex_long_nick> ok
[21:37:45] <alex_long_nick> is this all done by the bringtofront?
[21:38:04] <Kev> should be iirc
[21:51:07] <iono> I didn't touch it.
[22:01:52] <alex_long_nick> So I got it to get the focus when it's on the same desktop
[22:04:12] <alex_long_nick> but that doesn't work either with the rooster
[22:28:33] <alex_long_nick> yes now its working :)
[22:35:06] <iono> Har har.
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[22:42:46] <Tailsfan> I need a couple of questions?
[22:43:00] <Tailsfan> have*
[22:43:10] <hawke> ask away
[22:43:35] <Tailsfan> 1. How do I set up PSI to work with AIM, ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!
[22:43:42] <Tailsfan> Forgot the other question
[22:44:12] <hawke> Find a transport, and register with it
[22:44:27] <Tailsfan> Where can I find them at?
[22:44:50] <hawke> Well...I run a yahoo transport at yahoo.jabber.hawkesnest.net
[22:45:02] <hawke> there are others out there, google may help
[22:45:30] <Tailsfan> WHat do I type up in google
[22:45:48] <hawke> be warned that when you register with them, you're giving your msn/aim/icq/yahoo password to whoever runs the server in question.
[22:46:07] <alex_long_nick> thats why I have my own server ;)
[22:46:32] <Tailsfan> Well how do I set up servers then, I'll do that
[22:46:57] <alex_long_nick> you sure you want that? :)
[22:47:12] <Tailsfan> Why would you ask?
[22:47:21] <Tailsfan> and I just remembered the other question too
[22:47:35] <alex_long_nick> it's a bit more to do that just have a client...
[22:47:37] <Tailsfan> Does anyone have a prepared libjingle that I can download
[22:48:03] <alex_long_nick> but if you want servers and transport jabber.org gives you a list
[22:50:25] <Tailsfan> Where would i find the transports in Jabber.org?
[22:50:47] <alex_long_nick> components
[22:52:45] <Tailsfan> Thanks :)
[22:53:48] <Tailsfan> O.K. Will PSI recognize tar.gz files?
[22:55:08] <alex_long_nick> erm.. you are aware that you have to have a root/dedicated/whatever server on the net where you have to run a jabber server like jabberd to have your own transports?
[22:55:43] <Tailsfan> DOes it have to have the smae ip every time?
[22:56:24] <alex_long_nick> hmm it would be surely better but it might also work with dyndns or 'no-ip'
[22:56:54] <Tailsfan> That is O.K., I'll just get transports
[22:57:04] <alex_long_nick> bit I guess you don't really want an own server right? you only want to use your old msn contacts?
[22:57:13] <Tailsfan> Yes
[22:57:20] <alex_long_nick> then you do not want a server :)
[22:57:33] <Tailsfan> No I'm getting the components now
[22:57:38] <Tailsfan> for AIM, ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!
[22:57:45] <alex_long_nick> you just have to find one of the public servers which provides you transports
[22:58:11] <alex_long_nick> a transport is only a component for a running jabber server which you do not have
[22:58:19] <Tailsfan> Oh
[22:58:57] <alex_long_nick> just go to menu -> service discovery and see if your jabber server has already transports for you
[22:59:17] <Tailsfan> I'm using the Google Talk one though
[23:00:01] <alex_long_nick> don't know this, never used it..
[23:00:20] <alex_long_nick> don't know if they provide transports
[23:00:30] <Tailsfan> They don't I thinl
[23:00:38] <hawke> They don't, but you can get to other transports through it.
[23:03:42] <Tailsfan> How can that the one server has transports
[23:07:02] <Tailsfan> hawke, if I use your transports are you safe with them?
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